Women are Evil…Bible

There are hundreds of things that are found wrong in the Scriptures. There is not only factual and Scriptural ambiguity and error, but there is intellectual error, there is obvious human interjection of the “Godly” qualities that Yahweh, El, Jehovah, or Elohim displayed. How inexplicably egotistical to say or even think, “we are made in the image of God…that is man wishing/speaking…not God.

I’m going to risk the displeasure of the ‘gods’ here and say that no real god acts or thinks like the god/s of the Christian religion as displayed in the Bible.

There should NEVER have been slavery. I don’t think most Christian believers have even thought about this lately. A “Loving God” is totally incompatible with the fact of Old Testament-God approved-human slavery. Period…no wishy washy crap allowed here

Also a “Loving God” is totally incompatible with making half of the human race less than human. The stronger half of the human race trying to pawn off that any defects in life are the fault of the woman is pure evil, in and of it’s self.

“And a man will choose…any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” Ecclesiasticus, 25:18, 19 & 33.

And I find more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, but the sinner shall be trapped by her.”
Ecclesiastes 7:26,

As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power….” Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q92, art. 1, Reply Obj. 1

Everywhere I turn and look, strong evidence comes up that religion is a purely man made phenomenon. The Christian Bible is a fraud. There is no God in residence there.

Paul made up the “original sin” BS. Paul pretty much made up the whole Christianity shtick. Well, Constantine and Eusubius helped it along…300 years later.

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66 Responses to Women are Evil…Bible

  1. Robaigh says:

    What does it mean to be made in the image of God?

  2. Jerome M says:

    Finally – something about mainstream Christianity that makes sense!

    Thank you for this post.

    • Anonymous says:

      this is not the wordss of a christian….this is the thinking of a devil…..If this person truly belived in God he/she would not have wrote this…..this is a horrible way of talking about GOD…..He loved everyone and still does……….everything this person says God let happen because he felt like it…no that did not happen that way…….God let the devil come in and tempt them to see if they truly believed and trusted Him………Oh and to Who ever wrote this article……If there is no God who loves us…How did we get here……..Scientifically we could not come from two atoms colliding together:) Have a nice day:)

  3. thewordofme says:

    Robaigh, Thanks for writing.

    Maybe you could explain to me what it means.

    I just can’t seem to picture a ‘being’ that has no beginning or no end looking like us, but thats what it says in the Bible.
    Genesis 1: 26-27

    26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

    27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.

    Notice in 26 he is talking in the plural: us, our.

    But, none of this matters anyway, as the story is just campfire myth.

  4. thewordofme says:

    Hi Jerome M., Thanks for writing.

    Yea, theres a whole passel of things that have not, or do not, make sense…in the Bible.
    There is no Christian religion out there, that I can find, that has the answers. You ask serious question about real world stuff and they all fall back to ‘it’s a mystery’ or some such crap.

    It’s just amazing to me how long women have held on to these sexist beliefs from the Bible…that men continue to shove down their throat.

    And for slavery to be even recognized and allowed by a god,
    to my mind, proves its non-existence

  5. Jerome M says:

    thewordofme,

    In my opinion, the Bible is a creation of men and not of God. It’s filled with the words of these imperfect men who likely hoped it would help advance their own personal agendas (and it has). I’m not saying it’s all false or bad, but it certainly is NOT the “inerrant word of God” most Christian tout it as.

    I believe a Higher Power exists. I do not believe he/she/it looks/feels/acts like anything even remotely close to what most Christians seem to envision.

    It’s been a challenge for me to separate the idiotic hypocrisy of the Church with the loving, expansive being I perceive as God – but it’s an important distinction to make. I won’t let narrow minded religious zealots rob me of God’s love – and I hope others come to the same conclusion.

  6. thewordofme says:

    Hi Jerome M, Thanks for your reply.

    “Amen” to your comment on the imperfect Bible. :-)

    The closest I can come to any kind of belief in a God, is that one may have started the whole thing in motion…then went on to more important things. The whole story of personal involvement is silly…to pin on a GOD.

    I really doubt that a ‘Higher Power’ is watching over us or counts our sins, or anything so mundane.

  7. Willow Laurel says:

    This year, I’ve gone through an excruciatingly painful spiritual crisis. For 10 years I’ve dedicated my life to Christianity and prepared my “place” up in “heaven,” all just to realize that it was all a waste. The Christians that I saw at church were hypocritical monsters, and I left a year ago. I then started going through scripture with an agnostic point of view, and I thought to myself, “My God! Do Christians really believe this???” Because back when I was a Christian, I sure didn’t. According to the Bible, God agreed with slavery, God was a sexist agreeing that the wife is the weakest partner (said by Paul) and that no one should touch or even go near a woman on her period, God promoted killings of many innocents, just because they worshipped another god, God promotes rape and violence, BUT, in the New Testament, God’s “only son” promotes love and tolerance. What? Did God change his mind? But isn’t He supposed to be unchanging “yesterday, today, and forever”? I ditched the religion, and now I’m happier and more peaceful than ever. No more control. I am a free-thinking woman. And, no, I am not damned to hell because there is NO hell.
    Now I shall continue my hobby with astrology without worrying about what people would think of me.
    For once in my life, I finally feel free.

  8. thewordofme says:

    Hi Willow Laurel thanks for writing.

    What a pretty name you have…named for two trees.

    I hope your pain has gone away by now. I don’t know what kind of help and support you can come up with where you live, but there are many friendly places and people on the interwebs that can talk you through your journey away from the supernatural.

    If you ever get in the mood to backup your decision by researching the religious cons you will find plenty of info on the net, and if need be, I can point you in the right direction for a lot of it.

    I’m glad you have freedom now, and remember to never let some religious fools have control over your mind and body anymore. I just can’t believe how some people degrade themselves to religious dogma that man alone has thought up, and used to imprison women for 2000 years.

    I’m sorry, I just can’t resist the mention that astrology is from the same place that religion comes from, and the god of the Christian Bible is into numerology. The two are kind of interconnected and both of those fields of study rely on the supernatural and magic to make any sense at all…and as you know there is NO supernatural or real magic to be found anywhere, or at any time on earth. It’s a fairly harmless diversion; just don’t start believing in it. :-)

    Peace

    twom

    • muslim says:

      no magic eh what about love and forgiveness thats the magic

      • the word of me says:

        No love is coming from the Old Testament god, he is pure evil…and mythical by the way.

        Forgiveness for what?? Mythical sins, sins that goat herders made up a few thousand years ago when people actually believed in magic and spirits. That stuff is baloney. You’re being conned by experts.

  9. TheWordOfReality says:

    You think you can dissect religion because you understand what?… More than God? You understand what a “true” gods motivation would be? Let me help you with that one… NO. His logic is beyond you, me and everyone else completely.

    “we are made in the image of God…that is man wishing/speaking…not God”
    – What proof do you offer that God wouldn’t make us in his image? Especially being that he sent his son to earth in the image of a man?

    “no real god acts or thinks like the god/s of the Christian religion as displayed in the Bible.”
    – How does a real “god” act? Since your the expert… I mean what would God know?

    “There should NEVER have been slavery. I don’t think most Christian believers have even thought about this lately. A “Loving God” is totally incompatible with the fact of Old Testament-God approved-human slavery. Period…no wishy washy crap allowed here”
    – So god should have just come in a taken care of all their problems? As a species he granted us free will, as such we have to create our own society… God has to let us try to save ourselves before interjecting. Otherwise Christians of that time would have become too dependent on God. It’s not that God allowed slavery, humans created it. But look at the Jews being led out of Egypt for one… looks like God cared there… Dont ever pretend to think you can understand Gods motivation or reasoning. Period… no wishy washy crap allowed here…

    “Also a “Loving God” is totally incompatible with making half of the human race less than human. The stronger half of the human race trying to pawn off that any defects in life are the fault of the woman is pure evil, in and of it’s self.”
    – The fact that you see these people as “less than human” is purely a human point of view, they are perfect in Gods eyes, those that happen naturally of course. Disfigurements brought on by radiation and chemicals are purely a consequence of ourselves.

    “And a man will choose…any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” Ecclesiasticus, 25:18, 19 & 33.
    – Doesn’t support your claim at all. Let me dumb this verse down in it’s real context… A man will be a sinner and will commit any sin, but that of the original sin which was committed by the woman (Eve) and cannot be committed again. The punishment therefore is eventual death… as before we would have all physically lived forever.

    “And I find more bitter than death the woman whose heart is snares and nets, whose hands are fetters. He who pleases God shall escape from her, but the sinner shall be trapped by her.” Ecclesiastes 7:26,
    – Doesn’t support your claim at all… This is talking about “THE” woman whose heart is snares and nets (an evil woman with an evil heart) This is not saying all women are evil just that there are some out there, and those that please God will escape these women, wile the sinner will be trapped by them.

    As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power….” Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q92, art. 1, Reply Obj. 1
    – This isn’t in the Bible… So why is it here?

    You should really find better supporting evidence when your trying to make religious claims. Unfortunately, you and everyone else who has commented are all terribly stray from the truth. If you don’t have FAITH then you cannot believe in Gods word. You cant have FAITH if you dont want to and you guard yourself against it. It is sad and I hope GOD will reveal himself to you and you will see the truth someday. But this will only happen if your open to seeing him in your life.

  10. thewordofme says:

    Hi TheWordOfReality, thanks for taking the time to write.

    You write:
    “You think you can dissect religion because you understand what?… More than God? You understand what a “true” gods motivation would be? Let me help you with that one… NO. His logic is beyond you, me and everyone else completely.”

    I think anyone is free to dissect religion. There is no God, true or otherwise, so we just dissect the follower’s descriptions of religious dogma. Since most dogma and biblical scripture was created by humans a few thousand years ago, it’s pretty easy to do.

    You write:
    “we are made in the image of God…that is man wishing/speaking…not God”
    – What proof do you offer that God wouldn’t make us in his image? Especially being that he sent his son to earth in the image of a man?”
    And: “– How does a real “god” act? Since your the expert… I mean what would God know?

    God was made in the image of man. There are many discrepancies in descriptions of him and how he interacts with humans, so one can easily tell he is a product of mans imagination.

    Christians, Jews, and Muslims say they worship the same God and that in itself is convincing evidence for falseness.

    You write:
    “It’s not that God allowed slavery, humans created it. But look at the Jews being led out of Egypt for one… looks like God cared there… Dont ever pretend to think you can understand Gods motivation or reasoning. Period… no wishy washy crap allowed here…”

    A real god would not allow slavery to exist. All he would have had to do is condemn it in the scriptures and it would have (maybe) disappeared. Instead he condones it by having rules for it in scripture, and has Jesus speak in a manner that condones it. But, when you realize that the Bible is purely written by men and not by a god you understand why slavery is not condemned.

    You write:
    “– The fact that you see these people as “less than human” is purely a human point of view, they are perfect in Gods eyes, those that happen naturally of course. Disfigurements brought on by radiation and chemicals are purely a consequence of ourselves.”

    I am talking about women all over the world in all religions…they are treated as if they were less than men. Christianity doesn’t treat women as bad as Muslim’s and some Jewish sects, but they ARE put down. In many denominations they cannot be ministers or have any positions of leadership in the church. Religion says they must submit to men’s judgment in most all matters, and down through history. they have been subjugated and demonized in some matters. Remember the Catholic Church burned perhaps millions of women as witches in the dark ages.

    You write:
    “And a man will choose…any wickedness, but the wickedness of a woman…Sin began with a woman and thanks to her we all must die” Ecclesiasticus, 25:18, 19 & 33.
    – Doesn’t support your claim at all. Let me dumb this verse down in it’s real context… A man will be a sinner and will commit any sin, but that of the original sin which was committed by the woman (Eve) and cannot be committed again. The punishment therefore is eventual death… as before we would have all physically lived forever.”

    Seems to me the Bible also relates that Adam took the second bite so they would both share the crime. And remember that God was worried that they would grab the fruit of the “Tree of Life” and live forever. However, this is really a moot point as we know there was no Adam and Eve, and no original sin as Paul invented.

    “As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power….” Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Q92, art. 1, Reply Obj. 1

    “– This isn’t in the Bible… So why is it here? “

    It is part of religious dogma…still believed by millions of religious folks. From this writing by a churchman comes much evil…and it’s directed at women.

    You write:
    “You should really find better supporting evidence when your trying to make religious claims. Unfortunately, you and everyone else who has commented are all terribly stray from the truth. If you don’t have FAITH then you cannot believe in Gods word. You cant have FAITH if you dont want to and you guard yourself against it. It is sad and I hope GOD will reveal himself to you and you will see the truth someday. But this will only happen if your open to seeing him in your life.”

    I think the supporting evidence is strong that religion is bogus. Before I believe in something there has to be proof that its real…religion has no proofs at all, so all anyone has is faith and that is simply not good enough for me.

    twom

  11. Joe says:

    Either men will create religions/belief systems to oppress/control women.. Or women will create religions to/belief systems to oppress/control men.

    Stop portraying talking about this evil conspiracy against women by men.. Women do the same against men.

    It’s true that men probably use religions such as Christianity and Islam to control women, consciously or unconsciously. But today women sic feminism on men to control them and limit their thought patterns.

    So really you’re just a hypocrite.

  12. thewordofme says:

    Hi Joe, thanks for writing.

    Your logic escapes me as to why you are calling me a hypocrite.

    There is no ‘probably’ about it, ALL mainline faiths use that religion to keep women down.

  13. Anonymous says:

    FUCK YOU

  14. Dr. Korning says:

    The Bible contains hundreds of verses and passages that today would be labeled obscence.
    Tales of violence, murder, rape, slavery, gang bangs and a bloodthirsty God you kills at the drop of a hat. Christians have used this excuse for their own blood history of murder and death.
    Details http://WWW.SCIENCECLUBOFLONGISLAND.COM

  15. thewordofme says:

    To Anonymous,

    WTF is your problem???

  16. Funny Girl says:

    I find it interesting how angry people get when their religious belief system is scrutinized. It reminds me of the character in the movie “Saved” who has her motives questioned and she shouts “I am filled with Christ’s love” after throwing her bible at another girl, who replies that the bible is not a weapon.”. Why does it bother Xtians so much that people disagree with them? Why are they so angry if “god is love” as they say. Why aren’t they just content to think we will go to hell for it and be done with it? I don’t care whether or not anyone believes what I do. Why would I waste time getting nasty and threatening and cursing as above? Where is he free will in action they speak of? Frankly, to my mind it is a hostage situation at best, “Do as I say, or I will set you on fire…..forever.”. And if god is omnipotent and omnipresent as well, how loving is it to create beings that you know will not follow you? Just so you can torture them? I find no logic in it at all.

  17. thewordofme says:

    Hi Funny Girl, thank you for writing.

    Peoples religion is nowadays under attack by the “New Atheists”, according to the media, and I suppose this makes many people sensitive to outside judgment of their beliefs. Many people have been practicing and spending time and money on their religion for decades and decades. I can imagine how they would feel upon learning they have been duped. Most of them go into total denial.

    I vacillate between feeling sorry for them and worrying about their sanity to thinking that they are so dumb to not see the truth that is now so evident in our modern world.

    Some of them scare me silly…the ones like Pat Robertson and his band of Millenarian’s and the hold they have on the Republican Party. The ones who want the world ruled by Old Testament religious laws. Mike Huckabee is also one of those type.

  18. Funny Girl says:

    Mike Huckabee is so far gone It is as if he is a SNL character. I agree with you, but sadly it seems the religious and the non republicans have a common m.o. Both are content to do nothing in spite of the facts. Religious ignore the glaring errors, and non republicans don’t mobilize.

  19. Muhammad says:

    Hi,

    Men and women are equally same before God. If there’s even a possibility of the existence of God then that God must be the most justice toward His creation.In other word He must be the most perfect.. And everything around us has its own purposes and its creator..Car to drive, house to live..So do we. How can we know our real purposes in this world? We have to turn back to the manufaturer and sincerely asked for it. If that manufacturer doesnt anwser u then probably our father and mother are God because they is llikely that produced us..and we have to find out is there any user manual guide for us to live accordingly that came from that manufacturer..sure.

  20. thewordofme says:

    Hi Muhammad,

    According to the Koran and the Christian Bible, women are NOT equally the same before God or Allah…Not even close.

    I’m sorry I don’t understand the rest of what you are trying to say.

  21. Ali says:

    Thanks for writing this post, and keeping a great debate. I really like that your writing and logic is clear and well organized, I think a lot of people need simple information in order to process and intellectualize what you’re saying.

  22. thewordofme says:

    Thank you Ali.

  23. Dreamer says:

    I do believe there is a difference between men and women. Men were created stronger and more lustfull then women for a reason. The sperm causes men to lust for women in order for there to be further children for God. Why the lust of the flesh keeps the population growing is beyond me but there seems to be some sort of balance in it all. It’s like the Devil gets to be the Sperm that makes Men lust for the Flesh but then when he does it rewards God by producing more children for God. It appears God goal is to have as many children for his kingdom for him to love as he can. The Devil can’t win even though through Lust he trys to conquer man with women. Women on the other hand don’t seem to lust for a man’s flesh but for a man’s money and power that seem again to be the Devil’s vices. Men do whatever they need to in order to gain money, to gain power, so they get a more beautiful woman. Then they try and be their own God on earth with their money; to control the women they lust for. Have you seen that happen? As a result that draws man away from God. It’s a constent battle of Lust and sex, money and power. It’s a machine that keeps going based on simple principles of lust,sin, sex, money, power, . It is clear to me the only pure and holy man born, because he was not conceived by sperm but by God and the virgin Mary was Jesus. He then demonstrated when a man has no money and no power, women did not desire him for an evil reasons and he did not lust after their flesh since he was not conceived with the demon seed. That is not to say women did not want Jesus, but only in a loving way as the Lord wanted to be loved, not for evil ways dealing with Money and power. Bottomline Take away the demon seed and you take away the problem. Therefore when the souls of mankind have reached the numbers God’s wants, heaven will open and the rapture will take place. In heaven there will be no Devil, no demon seed, no sex, no money, power, .. just a perfect place with no problems or worry,. No competition , no greed, just peace with the Lord if you are willing to accept Jesus into your heart. THe simple truth of the matter is there is a God but he rules in heaven. Man rules on earth right now due to the first sin and free choice. Women took the rap due to Eve but it started a chain reaction that can’t be stopped until God says so. Men rule the earth now and the more money they have the more they rule by either control or politics. THe only way for a man to win on earth is to Love God more than his lustfull desire for women. Don’t get me wrong Men love women for other reasons than lust but that is the primary trigger for it. It’s really not about companionship or men with marry their dogs. So don’t be fooled by the fact there is what appears to be a problem. It’s part of the plan. Just don’t stop being a believer in God due to the fact some people wrote some stuff down years ago and confused you. Common sense and direct observation do wonders.

  24. the word of me says:

    Hello Dreamer,

    Your writing is a little hard to follow, but I will pick out a few things.

    You write:
    “In heaven there will be no Devil, no demon seed, no sex, no money, power, .. just a perfect place with no problems or worry,. No competition , no greed, just peace with the Lord if you are willing to accept Jesus into your heart. THe simple truth of the matter is there is a God but he rules in heaven. Man rules on earth right now due to the first sin and free choice.

    There is no heaven, no hell, no demons, no Satan, no Angels, no Jesus, and…wait for it…no God.

    You write:
    “Man rules on earth right now due to the first sin and free choice. Women took the rap due to Eve but it started a chain reaction that can’t be stopped until God says so.

    Oh yeah…I forgot; there was no Adam and Eve, therefore no Original Sin. All religion is a sham.

  25. I do believe in GOD, but I’m suspicious about the all bible because is confusing or why! between the new and old testament! and I do not believe GOD forgive everyone if you don’t prouve to him you are seriouse about forgiveness and change your life style until you die, you go direct in hell! Somebody help me!

  26. the word of me says:

    Hi Alain, thanks for writing.

    I can’t quite follow what you are trying to say; is English a second language to you?
    Don’t worry yourself…there is no god who is going to send you to hell. Religion is just a scam and a means to keep us inline.

  27. Anonymous says:

    Dreamer – Seriously? Women lust for men (physically) as well. I’m sorry you’ve never experienced this.

  28. the word of me says:

    You talkin’ to me? :-)

  29. billnaturallyspeaking says:

    Just read through this whole trail and I have to admit that there are a lot of words. My wife and I are believers and she IS equal to me biblically. Here’s one that you seem to have missed, Eve ate the fruit first, but it was Adam’s sin that condemned the race. Is it really that hard to understand equality with different ROLES? I don’t mind the criticism of what I believe and I’m not angry when I say that Jesus is the (only) way, the (only) truth, and the (only) life. Only the comments by thewordofreality seem to have a clue of what it means to be a follower of the Son. My heart really goes out to this great deal of confusion…

  30. the word of me says:

    Well hello billnaturallyspeaking, thanks for visiting.

    I hope you will take the time to surf my blog and get an idea of where I am and what I believe. I am perusing your site and do like it.

    You write:
    “Only the comments by thewordofreality seem to have a clue of what it means to be a follower of the Son. My heart really goes out to this great deal of confusion…”

    I’ll hold off on making snide comments for now. I like to get to know people before commenting one way or another.

    Do you really think the human man and rabbi Jesus was a ‘god’ or part of a supernatural ‘trinity’?

    • billnaturallyspeaking says:

      I do believe that Jesus was and is the Son of God the second person of the Trinity. I believe that He was born of a virgin and lived to be about 36 years old (fully God and fully man). At that time He was crucified and carried the burden of sin (for whosoever will come) to the grave. After three days He arose and ascended to heaven where He sits at the right hand of the Father. I believe that because of what He did, I can be born twice and only have to die once. And I believe that there is rejoicing in heaven when one sinner comes to repentence. I don’t mean to sound preachy, but this IS what I believe.

      • the word of me says:

        Hi billnaturallyspeaking, thanks for writing.

        How does the fact that Adam and Eve never existed impact your belief?

        Without that Adam and Eve thing there would be no ‘original sin’ for a Jesus to expiate for us.

        That ‘blood sacrifice’ thing is just so ancient and it’s unbelievable that modern people still fall for it.

        I mean really…A human sacrifice to the gods???

  31. billnaturallyspeaking says:

    In response, I’ll add that I believe the Bible from the “In” in Genesis 1:1 to the “Amen” of Revelation 21:21. God said that there was an Adam and Eve: you can say whatever you like, that’s your privalege, but as long as I believe that God wrote a book an that book is the Bible and God can’t lie, I’m going to believe what He said. A friend of mine once told me (and he wasn’t a believer) that if I believe and he doesn’t believe that there is nothing that he is going to tell me that will cause me to not believe just as there is nothing that I’m going to tell him that is going to cause him to believe. There is a lot of wisdom in that. I can’t rely on my words to change your mind, only the power of the Sprit behind His words that promise that they will not return void. Don’t you realize that both of us can look at the same facts and draw different conclusions? Neither your or my preconceived notion is based on the facts, but are entered in by the person making the observation. Here’s an example, you make the statement that Adam and Eve didn’t exist because of the evidence that points to a small (but not 2) group of people in the African area of the world from which worldwide modern man can be genetically linked. I don’t see that as evidence to make the same statement. I see it as evidence that follows what the Bible says in that this is the area from which all people originintated, and am not looking to the two from the beginning but the 8 from the flood. It’s the same evidence, but two very different conclusions.

  32. the word of me says:

    Of course the DNA evidence says there was never a time when the human population was only two or six (Noah evidently had no more kids after the flood).

    I understand that you can believe whatever you want and I support that right. :-) However the real world physical evidence just keeps piling up against the stories of the Bible in so many areas.

    You can believe that god created Adam and Eve 6,000 years ago, but those who keep an open mind know that humans have been roaming the earth for about 200,000 years…there is just overwhelming real physical evidence for this.

    You can believe that there was an Noachian flood about 4300+- years ago, but those who research the science find that there is absolutely no physical real world evidence for a world wide flood and subsequent total destruction of all human cultures and civilizations that literally covered the earth at that time.

    Of course you can believe that there was an event after the ‘Flood’ called the ‘Tower of Babel’ wherein god confused the currant language in Mesopotamia and thereby scattered man over the earth. I however have researched this story and find that it cannot be true because we know for a fact that humans were spread all over the earth (except Antarctica) by no later than 13,000 years ago…probably by 25,000 years ago.

    Those writers of the Old Testament had no concept of science and what it could accomplish in later years…they could not conceive of a world where things could actually be researched in hundreds of ways and the actual real truth found out.

    I know you believe that the Jewish race more or less started in Egypt around 3500 +- years ago and Moses gathered them together and then left Egypt, crossed the Red sea, and came into the ‘promised land’ by way of killing off the people who then inhabited the land. Archaeologists however have been researching this and many other Hebrew myths for over a hundred years.

    First off they are unable to find ANY evidence of a group of people over a million strong passing through and camping the Sinai desert for 40 years…at any time…its just not there. Also archaeology has been telling us for over 50 years that the walls of Jericho falling and all the other cities mentioned in the Bible as victims of Joshua’s army didn’t happen.

    All of the Biblical stories from above have so much circumstantial evidence that is falsifying them…which in scientific speak means that they are probably not true. Even mainstream theologists and biblical scholars are finally accepting this evidence as truth…there is so much undeniable empirical proofs now.

    Consider this…ever since religion was invented there have been many many things on earth that have been attributed to god or gods, and this went on for many hundreds of years, but slowly men started to explore and research and test their world…science was born and the scientific method was developed. Since then science has found natural explanations for things that used to be attributed to god and it has never gone the other way. Religion has never been able to explain what science has found to be natural.

    Anyway, I know you will not accept any of the evidence…so be it. You live in your world and I’ll live in mine, and I wish you well…

    twom

  33. Anonymous says:

    in any discussion science always wins

  34. Afrolatin says:

    Science is religion. Just another way of being a heathen.

  35. the word of me says:

    Well, lets see, if science were a religion who would we worship?? Maybe Darwin, maybe Einstein, maybe Aristotle, how about Newton??

    I can see it now…we picked Darwin, and now we’re in ‘church’ and the ‘minister’ is reading from “The Origin of Species”……

  36. tj101 says:

    thewordofme,

    If everything you claim is true, then please answer this for me. If the bible is the work of man and not inspired of God the Almighty, how is it that the same line of thought remains throughout the entire bible, despite so many different writers? The bible wasn’t completed until thousands of years after the first word was written under divine inspiration.

  37. tj101 says:

    Around 1600 BCE. What are you trying to get at?

  38. the word of me says:
    • tj101 says:

      I apologize for my replies being so late. But I’m curious as to why your asking me trivial questions like this? I never claimed to know everything about the bible.

      • the word of me says:

        Truthfully just trying to assess your knowledge. Sorry if I have upset you…I’ll stop.

        Do you want to debate??

  39. tf101 says:

    You haven’t upset me. I know you are being respectful, as I am too. And yes, if your up to it let’s debate.

  40. tf101 says:

    How about we start with the part where God doesn’t exist, perhaps?

    • the word of me says:

      tf101, thanks for your reply.

      First off…are you a Young Earth Creationist (YEC), or from one of the more mainstream religions??

      The task of disproving the Christian God is very hard, and up until the last 20 or 30 years was probably as impossible as the religious folks proving there IS a God. That being said, I must confess that I can only disprove the existence of the Christian God by circumstantial evidence. There is no direct in-your-face evidence against Him.

      However the circumstantial is pretty good and covers a lot of ground. The bulk of it is in the Old Testament, but some telling things are in the New Testament. At what point do you think that by disproving the Bible, God is disproved? My opinion is that only ONE major thing has to be shown to be phony…just myth…and I can disprove much more than one.

      I will start a list for you of the things that I think I can disprove about the book, and as time goes on I will write about each one separately with time in between for you to answer and offer your perspective. If this is acceptable to you just tell me, or keep on corresponding.

      The things I can prove by circumstantial evidence…which I think are enough to disprove the personal God of the Christians are as follows:

      *The Earth is billions of years old.
      *There was no Adam and Eve.
      *There was no Noachian Flood.
      *There was no ‘Tower of Babel.
      *The Hebrew’s never were slaves in Egypt…or wandered the Sinai for forty years.
      *There was never an Exodus from Egypt as written in the Bible.
      *Joshua never conquered all those cities. (Not even Jericho)
      *If there was never an Adam and Eve…what was the need for Jesus?
      *Moses did not write the Pentateuch.

      This is just for the Old Testament.

      • tf101 says:

        Thanks for your reply the word of me,

        I’ll start off by saying that I am proudly one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. Our beliefs and standards ALL come from various principles found in the bible. Number one on your list says that you believe that the earth is billions of years old, so I’m assuming you believe in the Big Bang Theory. There’s a number of secular as well as biblical evidence that proves this as false. Jehovah God, the Creator of all things, created the earth and the heavens and all living things to inhabit it, including the first human couple.

        If there was no Adam and Eve, who were the first humans that started our race, then? And when/how were they created? And by what or whom? Did it “just” happen like science tends to reason by?

        Skipping down to the question in our list that asks, “if there was never an Adam nor Eve, what was the need for Jesus?” Jesus (or Michael the Archangel) was with his Father and the other angels in heaven LONG before even the earth was created. He actually assisted his Father with the creation of the world and the creatures.

        If God does not and never did exist, then how did anything, including you and me, come to be? How does an atheist explain that to someone? Evolution? Well at least that makes more sense than the trinity.

  41. the word of me says:

    Hello tf101, thanks for your answer.

    I hope you had a good day.

    A Witness aye? I know them well.

    Aren’t you cautioned by your brothers and elders to not enter into arguments with atheists online??

    I don’t necessarily believe in the Big Bang. Right now science doesn’t really have any alternatives and I can’t think of anything that could be a better contender for the title of “This is how it all started”. Of course I don’t believe the world was created by a Christian God 4027 years ago. I never did believe in the “Day Age” theory that Witnesses are told to believe.

    At this point all I can say is that I think that our world (the earth) was created by accretion of ‘star stuff’ over a period of many many millions of years. As far as the universe goes…I can’t say. However I know that many scientists are still working on the problem

    You write:
    “If there was no Adam and Eve, who were the first humans that started our race, then? And when/how were they created? And by what or whom? Did it “just” happen like science tends to reason by?”

    We are Homo-sapiens, the last in the line of “Homo” species such as: Homo-habilis, Homo-erectus, Homo- heidelbergensis, Homo-neanderthalensis. We are in the line of great apes. Archaeology, paleoanthropology, and most recently DNA/blood evidence prove this. We have evidence of Homo-sapiens (modern humans) back to around 200,000 years ago. We can trace where they came from and where they went. ALL human blood lines are known to have originated in Africa.

    DNA has also shown us that there was NEVER a time on earth when the human line consisted of two people (or six if you believe the flood story…which I understand Witnesses do).

    So this pretty much rules out Adam and Eve, and this is pretty much accepted by the majority of scientists around the world.

    It’s getting pretty late here so I’m going to sign off now and will continue tomorrow. I hope you have a great night.

    twom

  42. tf101 says:

    Thank you for taking the time to read my posts the word of me,

    I do appreciate and respect what you believe in and the laws you live by. Frankly I’m glad that you don’t entirely believe in the Big Bang, as it is pretty ridiculous in my eyes.

    One thing that I just can’t get over is this theory that the universe created itself. Be it a miraculous star formation, event, or a Big Bang, what explains the ultimate result of how everything works together almost perfectly. The big bang theory, as an example, completely disregards the first two laws of thermodynamics. The first that states, “matter is neither created nor destroyed”, and the second which states something along the lines of how everything tends to disorder. I can give many common sense reasons that disprove this “theory” but I would end up filling this entire web page with text, and that wouldn’t be too much fun to read through for you.

    You stated, “We are Homo-sapiens, the last in the line of…”:
    I assume you believe in the Evolution theory that we all evolved from apes? This theory goes against many things found in the bible but most notably Genesis 2:7 which describes Jehovah God creating the first man from the dust of the earth. I’m curious as to your take on what happens to us when we pass on. As a Jehovah Witness, you probably might know this already, but I believe that the dead are conscious of nothing at all, just like a deep sleep.

    I want you to understand that I don’t see this as an argument by any means, but as an intellectual debate and sharing of our personal views/beliefs about life, God, and the like. I never came here with the sole intention of converting you or anybody, but just to deepen and broaden my knowledge by getting a deeper understanding of worldly beliefs.

    I work a full time job among my spiritual priorities, which is causing the delays in my replies so I apologize for this. I look forward to hearing back from you tomorrow. Sleep well and have a good night.

    • the word of me says:

      Greetings tf101, thanks for your reply.

      If you would like you can just call me “twom”, it’s a lot easier than writing the whole thing out.

      I have always been a law abiding, easy going person I have a family of 5 children and six grandchildren and have been married for almost 36 years now. My younger years were a little wild but I broke no major laws…:-)

      I need you to understand that when I write of some things here I may upset your sensibilities somewhat, but I truly mean no disrespect. I feel as strongly about my position as I’m sure you do with yours.

      We understand star formation pretty much from what I understand from the astronomers. Some scientists fully believe in the Big Bang and follow their research with this in mind, but there are doubters.

      Regarding the second law of thermodynamics, this is one of the oldest arguments brought forth by the religious creationists and was answered many many years ago, but creationists still bring it up…new generations I suppose.

      Below from Wikipedia : http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Thermodynamics

      “The four laws are:
      Zeroth law of thermodynamics, stating that thermodynamic equilibrium is an equivalence relation. If two thermodynamic systems are separately in thermal equilibrium with a third, they are also in thermal equilibrium with each other.

      First law of thermodynamics, about the conservation of energy
      The change in the internal energy of a closed thermodynamic system is equal to the sum of the amount of heat energy supplied to the system and the work done on the system.

      Second law of thermodynamics, about entropy
      The total entropy of any isolated thermodynamic system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value.

      Third law of thermodynamics, about absolute zero temperature
      As a system asymptotically approaches absolute zero of temperature all processes virtually cease and the entropy of the system asymptotically approaches a minimum value; also stated as: “The entropy of all systems and of all states of a system is zero at absolute zero” or equivalently “it is impossible to reach the absolute zero of temperature by any finite number of processes.”

      Order from disorder has been observed and we are not in a closed world. See link below:
      http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/philosop/design.htm Be sure to go to the near end of the page.

      Regarding the “matter is never created nor destroyed” paradigm the Big Bang says that existing matter or “something” was compressed to a really small point wherein it exploded. Too much hocus pocus for me…I’ll wait awhile. However I consider the creationist position equally unlikely. If you can’t get something from nothing…where did God come from? The Bible says God created the universe, the galaxies, and our solar system, earth and us…ex-nihilo. From nothing. Doesn’t compute.

      Actually the whole idea of the Christian God doesn’t compute. Reading the Old Testament and listening to the religionists tell us how He is a God of peace and love makes me laugh.

      You wrote:
      “You stated, “We are Homo-sapiens, the last in the line of…”:
      I assume you believe in the Evolution theory that we all evolved from apes? This theory goes against many things found in the bible but most notably Genesis 2:7 which describes Jehovah God creating the first man from the dust of the earth.”

      Yes, I was told the Adam and Eve story in Sunday school. I actually didn’t believe it then when I was about 5 or 6 (I became an out-of-the-closet atheist when I was 13). I discounted all of the other Sunday school stories too. Of course I have come to find out I was right…:-)

      You write:
      “I’m curious as to your take on what happens to us when we pass on. As a Jehovah Witness, you probably might know this already, but I believe that the dead are conscious of nothing at all, just like a deep sleep.”

      I am not a Witness.

      I think along the lines of Mark Twain when I think of death.
      ” Annihilation has no terrors for me, because I have already tried it before I was born –a hundred million years –and I have suffered more in an hour, in this life, than I remember to have suffered in the whole hundred million years put together. There was a peace, a serenity, an absence of all sense of responsibility, an absence of worry, an absence of care, grief, perplexity; and the presence of a deep content and unbroken satisfaction in that hundred million years of holiday which I look back upon with a tender longing and with a grateful desire to resume, when the opportunity comes. ”

      Of course he was a little off when it came to the years before he was born, but all in all I think a good attitude to have.

      You write:
      “I want you to understand that I don’t see this as an argument by any means, but as an intellectual debate and sharing of our personal views/beliefs about life, God, and the like.”

      That’s what I like to hear. I like peaceful talk and exchange of thoughts and ideas

      I know the job and meeting hall routine so don’t worry about the response time. Although I am retired, I still have responsibilities and may at times be slow in answering.

      twom

  43. tf101 says:

    Thanks for your reply twom,

    To start this off, I know and understand that you are a very intelligent and respectful person, and I appreciate that so much…otherwise I wouldn’t still be talking to you. Congrats on having such a successful marriage though, that is very rare in today’s world. :)

    You have told me a bit about yourself so I feel like I should probably share a tidbit about myself too. Okay this might surprise you, but I am only 22 years old. I work full time as a computer programmer for a simulation and game development company in Minnesota, and I am still currently living at home. My real parents are still married and have been since ’89, and I have only one brother who is a total rebel of a teenager who is 18, but I love him to death.

    So back to our original discussion, as with the whole “order from disorder” thing, how can out make order from nothing? In the beginning of time itself when there wasn’t matter, physics, or anything period, how did anything come about without some kind of master worker or Creator, saying that the “order from disorder” thing is true?

    This is a very deep thing to think about, but just like making a cake, you can’t mix the ingredients if you don’t have any ingredients.

    You said:
    “I consider the creationist position equally unlikely. If you can’t get something from nothing…where did God come from?”

    The thing about God is that in order to be God, he is an eternal being without a beginning nor an end. If someone or something created Him, then that thing instead would be God. Jehovah God always is and always was. To me, its as simple as that.

    You said:
    “I am not a Witness.”

    I apologize for my wording from the post you replied to. I meant to imply myself as being a Witness and not you. After reading it through a second time I understand how you caught it at this angle so I apologize for that.

    That Mark Twain was one bright apple, wasn’t he? That is a very interesting quote and I can see why people would like it. It is spot on about there being an a sense of responsibility and an absense of worry. I agree with you when you say that that is a great attitude to have.

    Thank you for your replies, twom, and have a good night.

    • the word of me says:

      Whether biological evolution occurs has not been a matter of scientific debate for more than a century. It is considered a proven fact.”
      http://www.baylor.edu/geology/index.php?id=62340
      …….
      Hello tf101, my apologies for taking sooo long to get back to you. I have been busy and rather tired off hours. I’ll try not to be so long in the future.

      I appreciate the compliments and I’ll just say I have been a lucky person, having a wonderful wife who puts up with my quirks. My children are all smart and grew up without major problems i.e. drugs, alcohol, gangs, etc.

      You write:
      “So back to our original discussion, as with the whole “order from disorder” thing, how can out make order from nothing? In the beginning of time itself when there wasn’t matter, physics, or anything period, how did anything come about without some kind of master worker or Creator, saying that the “order from disorder” thing is true?
      This is a very deep thing to think about, but just like making a cake, you can’t mix the ingredients if you don’t have any ingredients.”

      I must confess that I don’t have any answers to the beginning of time problems and its attendant problem of where did God come from. I mostly concentrate on the major problems that the Bible has, and my belief that proving the bible is man-made will show that religion is not as it seems.

      You understand that if God exists then magic is real? We know that at least some of the writers of the Old Testament believed in magic because whoever wrote parts of the Pentateuch, wrote of the Egyptian court magicians using ‘real’ magic by turning their staffs into snakes. We know beyond doubt that humans could not do this. That this was written as if magic in humans were real tells me that it is a purely fictional story. Later we will get into corroborating evidence of it being fictional.

      The evidence I *mostly* use is from scientific research that was entered into and conducted for its stated purpose, and not intended to disprove some points of religion, but inadvertently, as a side effect, it does.

      I posit to you that the Genesis chapter of the Old Testament is probably ALL fiction. We know for a *fact* that many parts of it false…just pious fiction as it were. That leads one to seriously question the rest of it that cannot be proven. I will start with Adam and Eve. Now the story of these two is absolutely essential to the Christian Dogma…if not for them there is no real need for Jesus to exist.

      Anthropologists and associated scientists have been digging up human and bi-pedal humanoid bones/skeletons for a hundred plus years. The oldest are mostly from the Ethiopian and Kenya areas of Africa. They have been dated to anywhere from 1 million to around 4 million years ago and they are from humanoids that were closer to the great apes than they were to humans…BUT they walked upright on two legs.

      We now have a fairly complete line of bones/skeletons that cover a long timeline of the ‘Homo’ species of which we are a part of. We know that ‘real’ humans… Homo-sapiens, were roaming the African savannahs 200,000 years and making tools and artifacts. We know that these humans at some point in time left Africa (possibly in two waves) and ventured out to populate the whole earth (Antarctica excepted).

      In 2009 President Obama chose prominent atheist-turned-Christian Francis S. Collins to be the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH).

      From “Christianity Today” magazine: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/june/historicaladam.html -Highly recommended read.

      “Collins, one of the most eminent scientists ever to identify as an evangelical Christian, staunchly defends Darwinian evolution even as he insists on God as the Creator. And he now stands at the epicenter of a dispute that increasingly agitates fellow believers. At issue: the traditional tenet (as summarized in Wheaton College’s mandatory credo) that “God directly created Adam and Eve, the historical parents of the entire human race.”
      ……
      “Collins’s 2006 bestseller, The Language of God: A Scientist Presents Evidence for Belief—which so vexed those secularist critics—reported scientific indications that anatomically modern humans emerged from primate ancestors perhaps 100,000 years ago—(now known to be about 195,000+ years ago–Bill) long before the apparent Genesis time frame—and originated with a population that numbered something like 10,000, not two individuals. Instead of the traditional belief in the specially created man and woman of Eden who were biologically different from all other creatures, Collins mused, might Genesis be presenting “a poetic and powerful allegory” about God endowing humanity with a spiritual and moral nature? “Both options are intellectually tenable,” he concluded.”

      In a recent pro-evolution book from InterVarsity Press, The Language of Science and Faith, Collins and co-author Karl W. Giberson escalate matters, announcing that “unfortunately” the concepts of Adam and Eve as the literal first couple and the ancestors of all humans simply “do not fit the evidence.”
      ……
      “South Carolina pastor Richard Phillips, a blogger with the Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals and chair of the Philadelphia Conference on Reformed Theology, sees serious doctrinal danger if the historical Adam disappears. ”Can the Bible’s theology be true if the historical events on which the theology is based are false?” he asks. If science trumps Scripture, what does this mean for the virgin birth of Jesus, or his miracles, or his resurrection? “The hermeneutics behind theistic evolution are a Trojan horse that, once inside our gates, must cause the entire fortress of Christian belief to fall.”

      The above writing is a small sample of a 9 pages article from the magazine “Christianity Today” and is well worth the time to read it. See the link above.

      So we have archaeology and paleoanthropology that have been telling us for many many years now that mankind did NOT start with 2 people 6,000+- years ago, but that we started millions of years ago and evolved eventually into humans. Them genomic and DNA science came along and proved what the other sciences had been saying for years. The evidence is overwhelming.

      We now know beyond doubt that humans were around many thousands of years before the Bible even admits the EARTH existed. There is no discussion in the scientific community about this…it is accepted as fact world-wide. The only nay-sayers are the religious fundamentalist community and they have NO evidence behind their feeling.

      We know now that humans came from Africa, and that we have been on the earth as humans for 200,000+- years. We did evolve from the great ape line and there is plenty of evidence to prove it.

  44. The Awakener says:

    Hi friends,
    Checkout these 2 websites:

    http://www.evilbible.com/

    http://www.thegodmurders.com/

    • lee says:

      I would like to hope there is a.god because ive beem going thro alot and.i stopped believing for a.while then prayed after some crazy stuff happened to me and my life seems to be gettin better. I need god I think because lufe seems so meaningless.

      • the word of me says:

        Prayer has been proven in many multiple studies to NOT work. The only benefit from it is known to be a kind of placebo effect.

        You don’t need a mythical sky fairy to give your life meaning…whoever told you this??

  45. idkhuh says:

    Placebo Effect does work. Ever hear of Epigenetics? Oh, and by the way, since prayer works as a placebo all religious people can be happy. :)

  46. muslim says:

    do u deny the ressurrection use your head do u fear being accountable to God or do u despise his goodness and promise

    • the word of me says:

      Actually muslim I deny the existence of a god and believe the whole of the religious stories are nothing but mythical crap. The god of the Old Testament, as written, is a EVIL god….no goodness at all.

      Do Muslims believe in Christs resurrection??

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