Adam and Eve Did Not Exist

Paul uses the story of Adam and Eve to form the basis for the Christian doctrine of Original sin. “Sin came into the world through one man and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all men sinned.” Paul of Tarsus wrote in his epistle to the Romans in about 58CE. However Chapter 3 of Genesis does not use the word ‘sin’ and Genesis 3:24 says they are expelled ” lest he put forth his hand and take also of the ‘Tree of Life’ and eat, and live forever.” (So Adam and Eve were not immortal at their original conception)

St Augustine of Hippo understood Paul to have said that Adam’s sin was hereditary. “Death passed upon all men because of Adam, in whom all sinned.”  The concept of ‘Original sin’, that all men are born in a condition of sinfulness and must have redemption became a cornerstone of most Christian theological tradition.  However Judaism, the Eastern Orthodox churches, Congregationalist churches, and the Mormons don’t share this belief.

Over the centuries Christian beliefs have come to say that the serpent that tempted Eve was Satan or that Satan was using the serpent as a mouthpiece…although there is no mention of this identification in the Hebrew Torah

Early church followers held that because Eve was the one who tempted Adam to eat the fruit she (Eve) and ALL women who followed her were the first sinners and especially responsible for the ‘Fall.’  Tertullian would tell his listeners in the second century CE that women were the devils gateway, and go on to explain that they were responsible for the death of Jesus.

We can see that the story of Adam and Eve is a pivotal point in Christianity. The exegesis of the early chapter is the basis for the theology of the New Testament. If Adam and Eve did not play out as Genesis says it did, then there is no need for Jesus to redeem our sins…indeed, we have no sins, as the original story mentions none. It is only Paul, writing some four thousand years later, who puts this whole fiction into action.  It is Paul who comes up with the idea and later writers pick it up and run with it and expand upon it.

Now what happens if we remove Adam and Eve from the mix entirely?  We have this book that was written by Hebrews, Jews, and later Christians over a period of perhaps 800 to a 1000 years.  By the actions and words of one man (Paul) who lived a few years after Jesus practically the whole world of Christian thought and theology hangs.

In the Biblical sense Adam and Eve did not exist. The story of men and women living on this earth far transcends the petty story found in the Bible. Adam and Eve were not the beginning of the human race; they are nothing more than a footnote in a fictive mythological story written by some of our ancestors. The story of humans goes back many hundreds of thousands of years and is spread over the whole earth. We did not come from two progenitors 6000+- years ago.  Our footprints, handprints, tools, habitats, art, and handiwork have been found all over the globe going back a hundred thousand, two hundred thousand, and many more years.

We humans have a history that is told in archaeological artifacts and human bones and pottery and stunning artwork on cave walls.  We find finely crafted spearheads in animals that have not walked the earth for over 10,000 years, we find Homo sapiens skeletons superimposed with Neanderthal bones in Israeli caves from 50,000 years ago, we find 10,000 year old graveyards in the middle of the Sahara desert…relics from a time when the Sahara was green and home to ancient animals and human societies.

We humans also have sciences now that can read the ancient stories entwined in our blood.  The stories that are told there….are not the stories of the Bible.  We did not spread out all over the earth from “East of Eden” 6000 years ago. By that time humans were everywhere; in China and Southeast Asia, in Australia and Borneo, in North and South America, all of Europe, and many of the smaller ocean islands.

There is archaeological evidence of “us” all over the place and in time periods going back hundreds of thousands of years. The evidence is overwhelming, there are no doubts anymore. Adam and Eve as a Biblical truth…is not the truth.

Christianity, as well as Judaism and Islam, and all the other religions are relics of a time when we humans were making up gods…when we thought we needed them…when we had no way of ascertaining what was real in our world and what was myth.  Some of us still look and hope to find a higher being that they can lay their troubles on, someone who can make them happier and richer and healthier, while forgetting to look inside themselves and finding their own will.

Jesus was only needed to redeem our sins brought on by the downfall of Adam and Eve…our ‘original sin’ Most of Christianity relies on the story of Jesus as their basic reason for being. In fact if you follow all the lines of reasoning you will find that Adam and Eve is essential to the whole story of God. Take away Adam and Eve and it all falls apart.

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83 Responses to Adam and Eve Did Not Exist

  1. tony says:

    that’s cool and all that you took the time to write all that. but evolution isnt even a proven scientific theory. there’s nothing to prove it except the fact that animals have changed over time, which does not directly prove that adam and eve werent the firsts. all you have to prove it is a bunch of scientists who think evolution started “us.” but i(and the rest of the christian world) have the bible-one of the first printed books in mankind…..you have a website…..

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    • Bazza says:

      Evolution is directly observable mate, how do you think anti-biotic resistant bacteria evolve?

      Further we’ve managed to get single celled organisms to evolve into multi-cellular ones by a selective environmental pressure in the form of predators.

      But Adam and Eve don’t need evolution to disprove them – firstly we know that the earth is far older than this simplistic fairy tale story suggests, secondly we know that if only two people bred to produce all the others then we’d all be hideous mutants due to an unbelievable amount of incest.

      Finally the bible isn’t even close to one of the first books in history, printing is a far later thing and unrelated but the epic of Gilgamesh far predates the books of the Torah on which the old testament are based (with extensive revision, excision and addition). The rest of it came far later including the apocrypha and the cherry picked selection of gospels regarded as the new testament.

      Learn some history, learn some science, stop being intellectually lazy and then thinking that your ideas are equal to those of others that have actually put the effort in to learn and test their ideas against the real world.

  2. thewordofme says:

    Hi Tony, thanks for writing.

    You have a book that is being proved more and more wrong as time goes on. It is simply a collection of stories from a bunch of goat/sheep/camel herders that lived in a time when there was no science to check on their myths.

    Evolution is totally confirmed, and the religionists that deny it are simply living in a dream world.

    I’m sorry you are so uninformed as to whats going on in the real world, and I realize your religion probably forbids you to learn science, so you might want to hold off on commenting on things you know nothing about.

    The science keeps getting stronger and stronger and religion is losing on all fronts.

    Peace

  3. Robert Feinberg says:

    Ride On,

    I am a a follower of the evolutionary philospher Sri Aurobindo. I do not know
    why people still believe in that nonsense
    written by my “ancestors”. I guess because
    they are taught to when they are children.

  4. Terry says:

    Thank you for this article with which I totally agree. I can never understand how some Christian brains can believe in evolution by natural selection on weekdays and Adam and Eve on Sundays. As you so rightly say without Adam and Eve Christian doctine falls apart.

  5. carly says:

    adam and eve did exist

  6. thewordofme says:

    Hi carly, thanks for stopping by.

    I have circumstantial evidence that Adam and Eve did not exist…what do you have?

    twom

  7. Justin says:

    Acutually your worng here is the evidence for Adam and Eve.
    In Genesis it says there was two oceans, the oceans we have today and an ice circle, which scientists have said was true at the begining of the Earth. This ice circle a few miles above the Earth at the begining of the Earth. This ice circle would stop some of the sun rays coming to the surface of the Earth. This would mean everyone before Noah’s flood(when the ice circle brooke as it is written: The heavens opened up and it rained.) people would not be harmed by sun rays and could live a lot longer like what Genesis says. Also there was much more oxegen back then here’s the proof: Some huge dinosaur bones have been found with nostrails the same as a horse’s nostrails! This would mean the dinosaur would take one breath and die if it was still around today but back in the first days of the Earth there was more oxegen for all animals.
    Another proof for Genesis is in chapter 6 verse 2 and 4 it says that angles(sons of God) married human women! They say in the same chapter that ginats were on the Earth in the early days. Now we have [proof of giants by finding huge human skeletons the tallest of which was 36 foot!
    This not only proves evolution to be false but also Genesis to be true. The giants were the sons of angles and women or huge because of the amount of oxegen both prove Genesis. Now this was all the proof of Genesis now Adam and Eve.
    The Bible talks about eyewitness events on most ocasions apart from prophecy. In the middle east they did find the book of Enoch the son of Jared and seventh from Adam. In Genisis it says Enoch walked with God before God took him away(to Heaven.) Now the Garden of Eden was proberly in the Persian Gulf because before the flood the Persian Gulf was basically a jungle/forest or garden. Now after Adam and Eve were banished for there ORIGINAL SIN in Eden they would have migrated west to southern Iraq were the first ever civilization started the Sumerians. These people envented writing(were Enoch wrote his book enspired by the Spirit.)There was a book found dating back to 3500B.C called the book of Adam, it was proberly wrote by Enoch as Adam was around 700 when Enoch was born so Adam would have been older to tell Enoch this around 750. So the age of the Earth is a bit more then 6000 years it is more like 6250 but that is only a guess that Enoch could write when he was 50. Now this would mean that the Sumerians and the book dedicated to Adam(EYEWITTNESS)means the the time in Eden was true but how about the first chapter about God making everything? Well the only possibly answer for this would be God wrote it, like how God wrote the ten commandments on clay(with lightning.) Now all this set aside the only problem is that you would say how about evolution and the age of the Earth. well for the age of the Earth scientists use carbon dating which is a bit dodgey. For a start how do we know that the carbon in the Earth has always been the same(like how the oxegen levels have degcreased) and this would cause wacky reasults. For example a living penguin was 30,000 YEARS OLD by carbon dating and it is LIVING, either this proves reicarnation but it doesn’t as the penguin is living and the Bible teaches about how we only have one life on Earth. This though shows how carbon dating doesn’t work. So we don’t listen to a stupid scientist saying the Earth is billions of years old. When the only proof of the age of the Earth is in Genesis! Now evolution, first of all we only have 3-4 ‘ape to human skeletons’ For the billions of people who have ever lived but you would say the skeletons are small showing how we progressed into humans. Well how do you now this wasn’t a child, crippled or a dwarf? you don’t, we have no evidence for neanderfall’s but a few teeth and toes. How do you this isn’t an animals tooth or toe? you don’t. Another FACT is scientists have hade to make up skeletons(hoaxes) because they have no evidence. They act like little childern in a playground.
    I use to believe in evolution but then God changed me and I read Genesis and belived in it. Then after this I read an evolutionary book and on one page it said we are dessndents of stardust! and we have stardust in us! what this is retarded! and they have no PROOF for this.

    I looked at the facts and now I believe in Genesis because God blessed me. I hope your ignorant mind will see the truth, trust me lust and other sin for Adam and Eve are no where near as good as loving Jesus.
    God bless, i’ll pray for you!

    • Galeane says:

      OK Anti-Christ!! Explain this one!! Nov 5, ’10 4:55 PM
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      !st you Justin have been found Worthy of God! Angel 85

      1ST Justin You have earned your rights to the Kingdom Of Heaven!!

      2nd for the Anti-Christ!!
      Why does so much distruction come from you??

      and Why Dont you step aside and let the Jesus Jews take the Kingdom of God so God can come back and join the Jews Allied Jews Israelites! Then Gentiles and the rest of the tribes! Ye with little Faith Step Aside and let the truth pre- vail! How do you know God wont push that planet out of our planet With his Angels! I know from experiences with he would! Let us deserve that step aside!

      • BT says:

        Goodness Gracious !!! What ever are You BABBLING About !!! It is OBVIOUS that whatever amount of Brain Cell that you have left (If Any) are a SWIRLING Mass of DELUSION and Total Confusion .. Your FANATICAL SUPERSTITOUS Beliefs, are surely from FANTASYLAND… Try and GET a LIFE Lady. !! start out at this place that is surely Foreign to You .. The place is known as REALITY. !!

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      • Bazza says:

        How is psychosis treating you mate?

    • Mapu says:

      AMEN! Thank God for saving your soul. Straight and narrow is the road to everlasting life and few ever find it. I use to think the same about evolution but I prayed and asked God to open my heart to see the truth. Many of what the world follow is based on man-made principles. It wasn’t until I admitted being a sinner and asked God to forgive me of my sins and believe that Jesus Christ paid the penalty for my sins did I have an awakening of aaaaHa! I got it! I am no longer blinded but can now see the truth.

      Keep the faith and keep building a relationship with God. Just know that you are not being rejected. People are rejecting God. We have hope that one day we will spend eternity with Him who is the creator of all things including Adam and Eve!

      All we can do is pray for lost souls and witness to those in need. Jesus Christ changed my life and people see it because when you have Christ, the fruits of our labor will shine!

      • Dave Wyman says:

        Definitely I don’t forgive your sins, Mapu. I’m sure they are numerous and embarrassing, so need to discuss them in detail, unless you feel the need to get them off your chest.

        And it’s presumptuous of you to think you know God so well that you can speak for what He’s doing with you. Maybe you only THINK you’ve had an awakening.

    • Julie Bloch says:

      Your “facts” are as accurate as your spelling.

  8. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin, thanks for writing.

    Justin, how old are you?
    You are using arguments that have been long ago disproven.
    Someone is lying to you.
    You need to read some books that are outside of your religion.
    Come back when you have better arguments.
    Learn to use paragraphs…it’s really hard to read loooonnng no paragraph sentences.

    twom

  9. Justin says:

    Ok I’ve decided to write back.
    Ok some of my arguments may have been disproven but you don’t metion how and refuute any of them!
    Know one is lying to me I’ve studied myself, I have read books outside my religion, like….
    Quran, Origin of species, a variety of Buddhist holy books and some Pagan myths.
    Who want a better argument, here’s a shorter more simplier one,
    If we evolved over millions of years shouldn’t the amount of humans be more than 6.7 billion, but that is roughly what it is.
    So from 6000 years till know, from 2 people to 1 billion in 1850′s a population growth that is slow but steady, from 1850′s till know an extra 5 billion or so people.
    So in 160 years we can get an extra 5 billion people, as doulbing and so on. From millions of years we should be on mars by know over populating that!
    You could say there were natural disaters that killed cavemen, but there would have to be quite a lot of these everywhere, at almost simaltameous moments, this is highlt unlikely, try to refute this and the other arguments.

  10. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin, welcome back.

    In your first reply you wrote:
    “In Genesis it says there was two oceans, the oceans we have today and an ice circle, which scientists have said was true at the begining of the Earth. This ice circle a few miles above the Earth at the begining of the Earth. This ice circle would stop some of the sun rays coming to the surface of the Earth. This would mean everyone before Noah’s flood(when the ice circle brooke as it is written: The heavens opened up and it rained.) people would not be harmed by sun rays and could live a lot longer like what Genesis.”

    There was never an ice or water mantle around the earth. Real scientists have never said this was true, and the claim by religious creationists was disproven many years ago. I’ll refer you to THIS page at: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html.
    You will find here a pretty complete list of topics regarding creationist’s claims and rebuttal by scientists. While I’m at it HERE is a link to the pages about Noah’s flood: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-noahs-ark.html

    You write:
    “Also there was much more oxegen back then here’s the proof: Some huge dinosaur bones have been found with nostrails the same as a horse’s nostrails! This would mean the dinosaur would take one breath and die if it was still around today but back in the first days of the Earth there was more oxegen for all animals.”

    Ice core samples can be and have been taken in hundreds of places on our globe and many things can be learned from these. For one thing we can determine what the oxygen level was as far back as 140,000 years ago…it was within a 1% to 1 ½% range as far back as you want to go…this is a ridiculous argument.

    You write:
    “Another proof for Genesis is in chapter 6 verse 2 and 4 it says that angles(sons of God) married human women! They say in the same chapter that ginats were on the Earth in the early days. Now we have [proof of giants by finding huge human skeletons the tallest of which was 36 foot!
    This not only proves evolution to be false but also Genesis to be true. The giants were the sons of angles and women or huge because of the amount of oxegen both prove Genesis. Now this was all the proof of Genesis now Adam and Eve.”

    There has never been found a skeleton of a giant human or humanoid. All human skeletons ever found so far are within range of todays normal range…one exception to this is Homo floresiensis found recently on an Island in the Indian Ocean who was an average of 3 feet tall. Neanderthals were on average about 6 inches shorter than modern humans.

    You write:
    “The Bible talks about eyewitness events on most ocasions apart from prophecy. In the middle east they did find the book of Enoch the son of Jared and seventh from Adam. In Genisis it says Enoch walked with God before God took him away (to Heaven.)”

    The book of Enoch has been pretty reliably dated to about 200 AD.

    You write:
    “Now the Garden of Eden was proberly in the Persian Gulf because before the flood the Persian Gulf was basically a jungle/forest or garden.”

    Genetic DNA evidence shows that ALL humans originated in Africa, probably in Ethiopia and Namibia. Go HERE: https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/index.html Last I heard they had over 300,000 DNA samples. The project is jointly run by IBM and National Geographic.

    You write:
    “There was a book found dating back to 3500B.C called the book of Adam, it was proberly wrote by Enoch as Adam was around 700 when Enoch was born so Adam would have been older to tell Enoch this around 750. So the age of the Earth is a bit more then 6000 years it is more like 6250.”

    There was actually two books of Adam, go HERE, for the first: http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/fbe/fbe005.htm

    Go HERE for the second: http://reluctant-messenger.com/eden_2.htm

    They were both written after the death of Jesus…Use Google and some good search terms and you can find all of this info on the web.

    You write:
    “Adam(EYEWITTNESS)means the the time in Eden was true but how about the first chapter about God making everything? Well the only possibly answer for this would be God wrote it, like how God wrote the ten commandments on clay(with lightning.)”

    The first five books of the Bible (The Pentateuch) are supposed to have been written by Moses somewhere around 1500 to 1400 BC. In fact it was probably written by rabbi’s and scribes around 700 to 400 BC
    You might want to go HERE for some info on who wrote what in the Bible: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_tora.htm

    You write:
    “Now all this set aside the only problem is that you would say how about evolution and the age of the Earth. well for the age of the Earth scientists use carbon dating which is a bit dodgey.

    Last I heard there were about 40 methods of age dating and nowadays archaeologists use multiple dating techniques on the same sample to establish reliable dates. You might want to go HERE: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/resources/Wiens.html for a science paper on C-14 dating by a religious writer who happens to work in a dating lab. You might also want to notice that the site where the paper is published is a religious organization.

    You write:
    “So we don’t listen to a stupid scientist saying the Earth is billions of years old. When the only proof of the age of the Earth is in Genesis!”

    The proof of the earth’s age is all over the earth and even in the stars. Take a little time and study geology on the web. Start HERE: http://geology.com/

    You write:
    “Now evolution, first of all we only have 3-4 ‘ape to human skeletons’ For the billions of people who have ever lived but you would say the skeletons are small showing how we progressed into humans. Well how do you now this wasn’t a child, crippled or a dwarf? you don’t, we have no evidence for neanderfall’s but a few teeth and toes. How do you this isn’t an animals tooth or toe? you don’t. Another FACT is scientists have hade to make up skeletons(hoaxes) because they have no evidence. They act like little childern in a playground.”

    We have over a hundred skeleton and many thousands of pieces of skeletons. Palaeopathologists or archaeologist who specialize in human remains can look at bones and tell if they were male or female, age when they died, whether they had some diseases, what those diseases were in some cases and many other things. Go HERE: http://www.spoilheap.co.uk/hsrspec.htm for more data.

    For Neanderthals, the last I heard there were 14 or more mostly intact skeletons and many many pieces and skulls. Neanderthals are completely real and well attested in the scientific literature.

    Regarding hoaxes, yes there have been a couple, but science is generally self correcting when done properly—which is most of the time. Religion itself has had many hoaxes, as has just about anything else you can think of. The Bible is full of hoaxes.

    You write:
    “… I read an evolutionary book and on one page it said we are dessndents of stardust! and we have stardust in us! what this is retarded! and they have no PROOF for this.

    That was probably the late Carl Sagan, or someone quoting from him, you were reading, and he is right in an allegorical sense. The earth is made of the stuff of stars, and we are made from the materials to be found on earth, so in a way we are of the stars.

    You write in your second reply:
    “Who want a better argument, here’s a shorter more simplier one,
    If we evolved over millions of years shouldn’t the amount of humans be more than 6.7 billion, but that is roughly what it is.
    So from 6000 years till know, from 2 people to 1 billion in 1850’s a population growth that is slow but steady, from 1850’s till know an extra 5 billion or so people.

    Try to imagine the life of the earliest people on earth. They had no knowledge of anything. They had nothing. No clothing, no shelter, no medicine, no fire, no weapons to speak of (rocks and sticks), no knowledge of weather or game habits or seasons. They didn’t know where they came from or where they were going. You try and survive under those conditions.

    Our human ancestors, Homo ergaster, Homo habilis, Homo erectus, etc., had a really hard time surviving and reproducing. Modern humans, Homo sapiens, appeared around 160,000 to 200,000 years ago and for awhile they had it pretty tough also. Then about 40,000 to 50,000 years ago man probably learned to talk and that set off a revolution in everything about us. But the fact remained that early humans were fragile and had no medicine or medical knowledge…a simple cut on the finger could kill you if not treated properly. We had no idea about germs and sepsis and other medical facts.

    There also seems to have been two times when humankind went through a ‘bottleneck’ of very low populations and our gene pool was very low, we did survive, but as a consequence our bloodlines were diminished.

    Research has told us that around 10,000 years ago there were perhaps 1 million humans on earth. We also know that human longevity was on average about 40 years for a really long time and the average couples children stood only a 50/50 chance of surviving the first 6 months of life. Many couples could not even replace themselves with children (did not create 2 living offspring).

    The knowledge and real evidence we have about our ancestors and life on the earth from the earliest times to now is overwhelming…and the God stories just don’t ring true anymore for someone who really investigates, and uses real science as proofs.

    One thing I learned long ago was ‘question everything you think you know.’

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      2ND- Anti -Christ !

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      and Why Dont you step aside and let the Jesus Jews take the Kingdom of God so God can come back and join the Jews Allied Jews Israelites! Then Gentiles and the rest of the tribes! Ye with little Faith Step Aside and let the truth pre- vail! How do you know God wont push that planet out of our planet With his Angels! I know from experiences with he would! Let us deserve that step aside!
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      • thewordofme says:

        Hi Galeane Theriot,

        I don’t know if you realize it or not but your writing makes absolutely no sense. Can you come down off your apparently drug induced high and write something intelligible…something the average person can understand?

        Thanks so much…twom

      • Galeane says:

        Sorry this message was for Justin!!

      • BT says:

        Galeane … It is No Matter to whom your message is to …… TWOM is Correct when He states the FACT that (mol) You are a Messed up Half Witted Mixed up. Confused Individual. Why don’t you try and Pull Your Head OUT of YOUR ASS ?? !!! ????? P.S. and don’t let The COTTAGE CHEESE Deter You … Good Luck

  11. Justin says:

    Ok fair play some aruguments you refuted better than other but you say the Bible is full of Hoaxes what hoaxes?

    • Bazza says:

      Mate the Bible says that water existed before the rest of the universe in way had formed- how does that make any sense?

      The order of creation listed in genesis is completely disproven – God creates day and night before the sun!!!

      Further it contradicts itself – genesis 1:20 – 1:27 details God creating the animals and then creating man in his image but 2:7 – 2:19 details God creating man and then creating the animals afterwards in order to let him select a helper!

      Adam and Eve is a nonsense story, further we know the earth is far older than the bible would have you believe and that humans did not evolve in the middle east. This alone makes the whole central theme of Christianity null and void since if there was no original sin then Christ had nothing to redeem. That’s not just my opinion by the way, Paul of Tarsus said that if Adam and Eve didn’t exist then there was no point to Christianity.

      The tower of babel is nonsense – we can trace the development of language and it doesn’t point to a universal source.

      Exodus didn’t happen – the Jews were never Egyptian slaves in any number, over 2 centuries of archaeology has found not one shred of evidence that this occurred nor did anyone outside of Egypt mention it anywhere until the Pentateuch many centuries after all this allegedly occurred.

      We know that the Hebrews didn’t invade Canaan, they were already there because they themselves were Canaanites! Genetic and molecular biology evidence establishes this clearly.

      We know that the empire of David and Solomon didn’t exist outside of fantasy – at absolute best at this time there were extremely minor bandit/war lords there but none of the sort of scale that was later claimed.

      We know that Jericho’s walls weren’t crumbled in the Biblically described way – they had fallen centuries before any invasion by the Hebrews could have occurred.

      We know the flood never happened and that even the legend was stolen from earlier, Babylonian, legends.

  12. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin, thanks for your reply.

    The hoaxes we have already talked about.

    Creation of the earth, plants, animals, etc.
    Adam and Eve & original sin
    Noah’s flood
    Tower of Babel
    Exodus
    Gospels not written by who they say they are… This is a bigger deal than you might think.

  13. Justin says:

    We have already talked about Adam and Eve enough and we can’t convience each other. Noah’s flood is not a hoax, in Irag they have found writtngs of a description of a huge flood, Ron Wyatt has also found evidence of a giant boat in the mountains of Ararat just where the Bible says, with all the dimensions it states in the Bible, the only reason it ain’t in the news these days is because it would destroy evolution.
    The Tower of Babylon is the only explantion for all the languages and cultures in the world.
    If Exodus never happend then the Jews never made it to Israel, Solomon never was king the Whaling Wall wouldn’t be around, the prophets never made prophecies (Dead Sea Scrolls own you on this) The Jews never got exiled into Bablylon, the Babylonians never invaded Israel and most of all Israel today wouldn’t exist, that argument means history never happend so we shouldn’t exist on your argument but we do.
    The Gospels where written 60 years after Jesus if this isn’t accurate than the accounts of Alexander the Great written 400 years after his death shouldn’t be historic, some Roman wars written hundreds years after they took place shouldn’t be historic.
    If the Bible is not historically accurate then every other ancient history textbook should be thrown out of the classroom and we wouldn’t learn about history and wouldn’t know how we got here so we wouldn’t know how we exist or anything, again your argument destroys itself.

      • galeane1 says:

        This is a hard teaching. There is nothing we can say which hasn’t been said. Seek and ye shall find; that is the promise. Accept nothing on blind faith, not even these words.

        Seek for YOURSELF! Prove all things and hold fast to the good. Let your own personal experiences be your proof . Reading Luke16:16, “The law and the prophets were until John; since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presses into it.” But how can you find the kingdom of God unless you receive it through knowledge?

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        This is the time of the end of soul’s reign, when the Mystery of God is to be finished. Be strong, for you are the one to whom the understanding of this mystery has been given. There is nothing unknown which cannot be known. Happy is the wise man that sought after the truth, and when he found it rested upon it forever and was unafraid of those who wanted to derail him.

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        Why do evil thoughts cross our minds? Why do evil thoughts come into our minds? Where do these thoughts come from? Where do they go? Do they not come around again and again? From whence do they come and where do they go? What causes certain thoughts to infect our thinking? Do we have free will or is it a conditioned free will?

        Like a song playing in your head, over and over, that won’t let you go to sleep at night, WHY do these same thoughts keep coming around? Notice how everyone acts and reacts in much the same way. Notice how we react in the same way under similar circumstances. Why do we do the things we do? Dogs bark, cats meow, and humans do human things; is that the answer?

        The inferiority of man is not obvious to the naked eye but lies in what is hidden from view. There is physical, and there is spiritual; things seen, and things unseen. Certainly you know that the schemes of the Adversary are not few and that the tricks which he has are varied? When you read the Bible, did you know that the words heart & soul mean the same thing? Did you know that the soul is a part of the human design? Reading Mark 7:21-23, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within (out of the soul), and defile the man.”

        And Reading in Romans 3:10, “As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:” (No, not one soul is righteous.) Reading Luke 16:15, “God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.” 1 Corinthians 2:9, “Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither hath entered into the heart (soul) of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.”

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        Jesus came speaking in parables, just as the prophet in the old testament said he would; reading Matthew 13:35 “That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.” And why did he come speaking in parables? Reading Matthew 13:13, “Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.”

        Know now that these words in the Bible, as well as others, are being used to talk about the same thing, the soul in man: Soul = heart = Satan = devil = adversary = evil = god = false prophet = dragon = serpent = evil spirit = beast, and so on goes the list of synonyms.

        Yes the soul is Satan. It savors not the things of Other Earth but the things of this world. The heart works wickedness. It works to lead us astray from the moment we are born; corrupting us so we will not cease from loving the flesh. Wisdom summons us; yet we desire folly. Not by our own desire do we do these things, but it is the soul within us that creates this desire. Become sober and shake off the drunkenness of your soul which is the work of ignorance.

        Soul: the seat of appetites, the seat of emotions and passions, the cause of the mind’s activity. The soul is bad, evil, disagreeable, displeasing, malignant, unpleasant, giving pain, makes us unhappy and miserable. The soul is sad, hurtful, unkind and vicious. It is ethically wicked in thought, word, action, and deed. The soul has cunning craftiness whereby it lies in wait and uses good to deceive. The soul’s design is to refuse us understanding of the things pertaining to Other Earth, to keep us focused on this earth – on ITS WORLD.

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        The soul’s wickedness is great, and its iniquities infinite. For what our soul desires, we do. Reading 2 Corinthians 2:11, “Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.”

        Our soul walks after our eyes, unstable with covetous practices, following in its pernicious ways, self-willed and presumptuous. Reading Ephesians 2:2, “Ye walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit(soul) that now worketh in the children of disobedience.”

        Our adversary, the soul, walks about as a roaring lion, seeking ways to devour us. Reading James 5:5, “Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.” And reading 2 Corinthians 11:14, “And no marvel; for Satan (soul) himself is transformed into an angel (messenger) of light (knowledge).” Yes it is the soul and its power of imagination that has delivered these ideas and ideologies of religion into our minds.

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        This earth is the habitation of devils, of souls, the cage of every unclean spirit. For everyone drinks of their soul’s fornications, some becoming rich through the knowledge of her delicacies and living deliciously with her. Come out of her that you may cease to be partakers of her sins and thus stop receiving her plagues. How much has she glorified herself and lived deliciously through you?

        Reward her as she has rewarded you. Let her desires burn her. Buy not her merchandise anymore and the desires that she lusted after shall depart from thee and thou shalt find them no more at all. And the merchants within shall weep and wail and cry when they see her burning with desire, with no outlet for their merchandise. And the craftiness of her craftsmen shall be found no more in thee. And her light shall shine no more in thee, for by her sorceries are all men deceived.

        The soul, that great whore with whom the people of this earth commit sin. The inhabitants of this earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. She is full of abominations and filthiness; you know this because of those evil thoughts that cross your mind from time to time. Where do these thoughts come from?

        MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

        And here is he who hath wisdom: all the merchants within the soul are of one purpose, to give their power and strength unto the beast. These shall make war with you and you must overcome them. Hate the whore; make her desolate and naked; eat her flesh and burn her with her own fire (desires). Watch her squirm like the worm she is: the serpent, the dragon, the soul, that false prophet, the angel of the bottomless pit, the Adversary, the destroyer, that devil – Satan.

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        As it is written, “There is none good” – not one soul is good. There is not one soul that seeks after this understanding, for to do so is its death. All souls go out of their way to bring about evil in some form. There is not one soul that does good that does not work evil with that good; no not one. It is the soul that wants to get, and get back!

        While all earthly laws are designed to counter the “effects” of the evil soul, they are designed by souls which only serve to proselytize the evil. For without the law you would not know sin and the information of sin would not be in your souls and your soul would not be able to make you sin at the appropriate time without that information being there in the first place. For the soul, taking occasion by its contents, deceives you and slays you time and time again. You can see this principle in yourself, that when you would do good, evil is present in your thinking. The contents of our souls are always warring with our minds.

        This is the world of Satan, of soul: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Vengeance is mine saith the soul. An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is just more evil for evil. Do not fight evil with evil, for what goodness is there in that? Understand that your foes are just the victims of their souls, as you are of your soul.

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        What kind of a world would this become, if as children we were taught that the real enemy is the enemy within – soul? That when we were caught doing evil we were helped to realize that – “see it is the evil soul within that has made you do this: now understand the working of this evil soul within and go and sin no more.” Starting with small evil things as a young child, bigger evil might not be allowed to materialize later in life. How much better would this world be?

        The soul blinds our eyes and stops up our ears, that seeing and hearing we do not understand lest we be converted and take control of the soul. We live in that grave, the soul. If we sin it is the soul that is causing us to sin. If we stop sinning it is us who stops listening to the soul. Knowing this, know of the devil inside and go and sin no more.

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        The thoughts of soul cause us to think and the emotions of its power cause us to act and react. The soul’s wickedness is great, and its iniquities infinite: for what our soul desires, that we do.

        Our soul walks after our eyes, unstable, with covetous practices, following in its pernicious ways, self-willed, presumptuous. It is the heart, the soul, which seeks to lay up treasures in this world.

        O generation after generation of vipers, we speak evil things, for out of the abundance of our evil hearts our mouths speak. For by the same words which we use to judge one another, yes, by these same words, we eventually become what we think and condemn ourselves with those same thoughts. There is a saying which goes something like this; “As a man thinketh, so he becomes.” And here is another saying which should equally be applied; “Man, Know Thy Soul.”

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        Marvel not and let not your soul whisper in your mind that these things are not true. For even Jesus’ closest disciples, men and women walking, talking, asking questions and living with him every moment did not fully understand; as we see, reading Mark 8:17, “Perceive ye not YET, neither understand? Have ye your hearts YET hardened?”

        In Mark 8:33, we see that Peter didn’t understand the teachings, reading Jesus rebuking Peter,”Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men (of this world).” This is quite late in Jesus’ teaching and his closest disciples still did not grasp what he was teaching because of the Jewish religion, customs and culture which had been sown into their hearts from an early age onwards.

        And again we see the leaven of the Jewish teachings coming out of Peter’s heart, in Mark 9:5, where he suggests building three tabernacles – “For he wist not what to say; for they were sore afraid.” Fear, as all emotion comes from the soul (heart). And reading Mark 10:24, even later in Jesus’ ministry, “And the disciples were ASTONISHED at his words.” You see they still did not understand, reading Mark 10:26, “ASTONISHED OUT OF MEASURE.”

        Even after Jesus rose from the dead, we read him questioning their understanding of his teachings about soul in Luke 24:38, “Why do thoughts arise in your hearts?” . . . the disciples still did not fully understand or the thoughts would not be rising from their souls.

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        He that is of a proud heart stirs up strife. He that trusts in his own heart is a fool. The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Our heart studies destruction that it may give rise to talk of mischief. The heart is inclined to do evil things. To the hungry soul, every bitter thing is sweet.

        The wicked boasts of his hearts desires. Many things are but sorrows of the heart. The heart contains great heaviness and sorrow. The heart makes you suffer much affliction and anguish. It is the pride of the heart that deceives us. The heart works wickedness. It schemes from the moment we are born until the day that we die, to lead us astray. There are many devices in a man’s heart. For as the heart thinks, so shall we do, and so shall we become. Mischief is in our heart.

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        The heart despises reproof. Why does thy heart carry thee away? Until now, you have worked for your heart’s desire. Come out of that whore and see what you have been doing.

        If you cannot see or hear these words it is because you walk after the desires of your soul. You walk after the imaginations of the god of this world. You walk after its’ dreams.

        We continue to turn to the religious fables and superstitions of our ancestors, even mixing them in with the teachings of Jesus, and thereby our hearts blind our eyes and stops up our ears, that hearing we cannot hear, and reading we cannot understand, least we eat from the Tree of Life which sits in the midst of the garden and attain Eternal Life. The soul is the burning desire, the flaming sword which turns our thinking every which way to keep us from reaching upwards to the Father, the Tree of Life. God is above, Satan is below; rise up out of that bottomless pit of sin, sadness and suffering and join with the Father above.

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        Reading Matthew 19:17, “And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God:” This was to say that he too was here in a physical body with a soul that tempted him, many times and in many ways, causing him great pain and suffering. Remember how Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by Satan (his soul), and he refused all the temptations to use his power for something other than why he came. And then the soul left him alone for a little while; reading Luke 4:13, “And when the devil had ended all the temptations, he departed from him for a season” – for a little while. Jesus was here, in a human body, with a soul that tempted him time and time again. He too had to refuse and overcome, to return home.

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        The serpent is more cunning than all its evil powers. It leads us astray through the determination of those things that belong to its thoughts; through our ignorance we come to experience cycle after cycle of pain and suffering.

        Throw every robber out of your mind. Guard all your gates with torches, which is knowledge, and you will acquire through all these things a quiet life. But he who will not guard himself against these things will become like a city which is desolate, since it has been captured. All kinds of wild beasts have trampled upon it, for selfish thoughts, which are not good, are evil wild beasts. Your city has been filled with robbers, and all kinds of wild beasts, and so you cannot attain peace of mind no matter what you read or what you try or what you do. The Wicked One, who is a tyrant, is lord over you. While directing his legions, he (the Wicked One), from beneath in that great mire, controls the whole city which is your mind; and you shall perish with that heart, that devil, Satan.

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        Wisdom summons us and yet we desire folly. Not by our own desires do we do these things, but it is the soul within us that causes us to do them. We are the servants of our soul. We follow what is delivered to our minds from below. Become sober and shake off the drunkenness of your soul which is the work of ignorance. Soul’s purpose is to take us down to the end of the road, and bury us. To keep us eating from the tree of good & evilf and to keep us from eating from the Tree of Life.

        When we strip off from ourselves what is corrupt, then we will become illuminators in the midst of mortal men. Thus it is by being born again, separated from the soul that we will return home to Other Earth. However, until the resurrection from the soul, the resurrection from the dead, we must conitnually fight against its wiles, just as Jesus had to fight all his life long.

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        Not knowing of the Father, everyone born learns the soul is good for food, that its whisperings are pleasant, that it is designed to make us wise to the things of this earth.

        The soul is the tree of the knowledge of good & evil, and we are eating from that tree. Rise up and eat from the Tree of Life that you may live forever. Reading Hebrews 3:10, “They do always err in their heart (soul); and they have not known my ways. They shall not enter into my rest.” And reading Hebrews 4:10, “For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his (soul’s) own works, as God did from his.” (Genesis 8:21, “the imagination of man’s heart (soul) is evil from his youth;”)

        1 Corinthians 15:26, “The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death (the soul).” We are raised up from the dead, from the soul, by the knowledge of the Father, to walk in the newness of a new life; we are born again of a new connection. Just as we have all shared in the same death, eventually we shall all share in the same resurrection from the soul consciousness to the Christ consciousness of the Father; and the soul shall have no more dominion over us.

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        The soul has reigned from Adam to Moses, to Jesus, to Muhammad
        until now, the End Time.

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        This is the world of soul. Soul is the LORD of all human beings until such a time as they are ready to receive these teachings. To the few, this world shall provide the final experiences for their perfection, for their separation from soul. For souls love souls, and each soul uses each other soul to help in maintaining control of our minds. All souls are of the same design. All souls are connected by reason of a singleness of purpose; to take us down to the end of the road and bury us.

        Reading John 12:31, “Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.”

        Come and expose the soul with its works of evil, self-righteousness, and judgment. Judge your soul, for that judgment is true. It is the prince of this world. It is the evil within.

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        And it shall come to pass that everyone who learns of his evil soul shall slay it and drive it out of his mind, just as Jesus cast it out of the minds of the sick. So, reading James 4:7, “Submit yourselves therefore to God (the Father). Resist the devil (soul), and he will flee from you.” And reading Hebrews 4:12, “For the word (knowledge) of God (the Father) is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”

        Understand what is written in Mark 3:26, “And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.” So first we must bind the soul, take control, stop partaking of its sins, and then we can spoil his house. Reading Luke 21:19, “In patience possess ye your souls.”

        And reading Luke 21:34-35, “And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and the cares of this life; watch unless that day come upon you unawares. For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.”

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        The heart knoweth what it is and what it does. It does not sleep; it does not cease to work for a moment. The heart is deep with thought. The heart is a well that cannot run dry; for the irrigation of this world adds to it daily while we are awake, and nightly while we sleep. It is the god of this world. Stop serving this god of mammon.

        We cannot perfect that which cannot be perfected. Try as we might we can only feed it – teach it new tricks to use against us. IT IS OF THIS WORLD. The soul cannot be changed from its design and purpose. Do not believe those tares of men sowed in with the wheat of Jesus; in this world souls love souls. You have heard the saying, “Misery loves company.” Soul is evil and the works thereof we do.

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        There will be no hope so long as we walk after the vices that have been created by the imagination of our evil hearts. And do not be fooled, the imagination is a power of the heart – reading Like 1:51, in part, “In the imagination of their hearts.” And reading Genesis 6:5, “And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”

        We have become vain in our heart’s imaginations, and our hearts have darkened our foolish minds. We have bathed in the lusts of our own hearts, and changed the truth of God into a lie; worshipping and serving the creature (soul) more than the creator (the Father).

        Our eyes have been closed so that we cannot see, and our minds made such that they do not want to understand. We harken not, nor incline our ear, but we walk after the counsels and the imaginations of our evil hearts, ever going around in circles instead of forward.

        The soul’s design is for a want of sin, for the things of this world: greed, lust, anger, attachment and ego. The soul’s design is to do good and evil. The hungers of the souls of men are many: What is your hunger – Lust? Greed? Vanity? Anger? . . . Or What?

        When thine eye beholds a beautiful women, does thy heart whisper perverse things? When thine eye beholds riches, does thy heart covet? When thine eye beholds angry people, does thy heart fear to be dragged into the situation or does it rush in head first without thought; to do evil for evil? When thine eye beholds what it owns (what you are attached to) does the heart feel superior over others? When thine eye beholds another ego, does thy soul mirror the body movements trying to gain favor while playing the game of one-up-man-ship?

        This knowledge was not revealed to us of any wisdom that we have more than anyone else; but to make known the correct interpretations of Jesus’ teachings that we might know the contents of our own hearts. Reading Job 9:21, “Though I were perfect, yet would I not know my own soul: I would despise my life.”

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        And this is the parable of the sower in Matthew 13:2-23. Behold, Jesus came to this earth, brought the teachings of Other Earth, and he gave the teachings – freely. And the souls of some men quickly destroyed them. And the souls of other men endured but for a short time, and this world’s affairs caused them to turn away. And some men’s souls rose up and choked them off with the rationalizations and justifications of prior learning. But some souls were ready, the ground work prepared, and those men prospered, for they were ready and it was their time to know the mystery kept secret since this world began.

        And this is the working of soul. He who receives seed by the wayside has no understanding of such things to begin with, for it is nonsense to the educated of this world, and so it is easy for the soul to use its contents against the man’s mind and take away any such thoughts that are given to it. And the same is he who hears, and likes what he hears, but has no prior knowledge of such things; he endures for awhile but if anyone criticizes or persecutes him the soul is offended and turns him away. The other person is the busy and rich person of this world, thorns of time lead him away, back into the worries and cares of this world.

        And in Matthew 13:37-43, Jesus explains the tares of the field to the disciples, saying; the good seed is the teachings I bring. The field is this world. The tares are the wrong teachings that come from the imaginations of the hearts of men. The heart is the soul and the soul is the devil, the wicked one. The soul is your enemy and pollutes my teachings. The harvest comes at the end of your physical life. The reapers of life eternal are my laborers, and the rest do not reach Other Earth but remain without.

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        The soul contains all the evil seeds which makes the mind sick. Nothing the soul can imagine to do can be restrained. Rise up and eat from the Tree of Life that you may live forever; that the Father may teach you concerning the unwavering race of the Perfect Man on Other Earth.

        For this is the mystery of the immovable race: we are raised up from the dead, the soul, by the knowledge of the Father, to walk in the newness of a new life; we are born again of a new connection. Just as we have all shared in the same death, eventually all shall share in the same resurrection from the soul consciousness to the Christ consciousness of the Father; and the soul shall have no more dominion over us.

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  14. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    Your arguments are disturbing. I’ll ask again; how old are you?

    There IS archaeological and geological evidence for a large flood in the Babylonian area around 2900 BC. It was not a “world-wide flood” it was local. It is theorized that the Gilgamesh story and flood myth came about from this flood and the Hebrews picked up on this story and wrote the myth about Noah. The Noah flood myth was written about 700 to 500 BC, over a thousand years after the Gilgamesh myth.

    Ron Wyatt’s (who is dead now by the way) work in relation to Noah’s Ark has all been discredited and at one time he was sued for conning people out of money to support his “research.” He is also credited with the lie that he found Pharaoh’s chariot wheels in the Red Sea. Neither the Ark of Noah or the Pharaoh’s chariot wheels have ever been found.

    About Adam and Eve again. Almost all fundamentalist religions believe that Adam and Eve were created (along with our world and the universe), about 4000 BC. We know for a fact that modern humans (Homo sapiens) were roaming the earth 100,000 and more years ago…there is no doubt about that at all.

    Regarding the Gospels and written history you will probably have to learn about literary criticism and textual criticism to understand what is going on with ancient writings.

    The Tower of Babel story is not the only explanation for languages and culture around the world…how can you possibly think this? Are you just ignoring actual science and facts because they don’t jibe with your pre-suppositions from your religious leaders? You are going to find out later that you have been lied to.

    The story of the Exodus is still awaiting ANY real proof that it actually happened—none has been found. We do know that Solomon probably existed, that there was a Jewish exile to Babylon…that may have been where the Pentateuch was written. The Hebrew’s were probably just Canaanites. The Egyptian’s have no records of a large Hebrew clan in their midst at any time.

    Another thing to consider is that the Egyptians have no record or evidence of a world-wide (or any other) flood and they were right next door to Babylon.

    There is tremendous evidence out there in the world that is proving the Judeo-Christian and Islamic religions false. Religions pretty much have to ignore the scientific evidence, or their bright and shiny beliefs fall apart, and all that time and money invested in it is wasted. One of religions problems, or advantages, depending on how you look at it, is that there is no shortage of gullible people in this world.

  15. Justin says:

    Religions ignore science? wtf? Look up these verses: Job 26:7, Ecclesiastes 1:6, Job 28:25, Leviticus 17:11, Pslam 135:7, Jeremiah 10:13, Job 36:27-29, Ecclesiastes 1:7, Isaiah 55:10, Job 38:16, Jeremiah 31:27, Isaiah 40:22, 2 Peter:3:10.
    All are about scientific fact, and were written around 3000 YEARS AGO BEFORE SCIENCE DISCOVERD THEM! This shows that God is real and he told the prophets to write this to show us today that God is real and we should worship him, even though you know the facts and evidence and you continue to deny Christ you continue to deny God you gave you life.
    The only reason you follow evolution and deny God even though you know he is real is because of you own lust and earthly desires.
    I leave you on these two passages to look up
    Matthew 24:30 and Revelation 11:9-11.
    Amen luster.

  16. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    The reason I follow evolution and deny God is not because of lust and desire…that’s just plain silly, and has been used by religious people as some kind of insult, when it’s not true, for many years. I am just as moral as most people on earth, and definitely more moral than a lot of Catholics.

    I follow evolution and deny God because of the growing evidence that it’s all a scam, a hoax as it were.

    There are also passages in the Bible that say the earth has four corners and God opens a window in heaven to let it rain on earth.

  17. Justin says:

    Four corners, it is a metaphor, for example when William Wallace (Braveheart) was hanged drawn and quatered, they placed his body in the four corners of England, does this mean they thought England was square? NO it was a metaphor.
    All the non-religious friends I have known always talk about sex.
    And when I talk about the Messianic prophecies what prove God, they say I don’t want to here it or let’s talk about somehting else.
    The God opening a window in Heaven is also a metaphor, opening clouds you dam retard.
    Catholics have no morals you say, go back 40 years and there was no sexual cases with Ctholic priests, fast foward a couple of years and you get the introduction of pornography, so this is the reason the priests were doing these horrible cases not because they were priests.
    When boy scout leaders did these same cases does this mean they were rapers for being boy scout leaders, these cases didn’t happen before pornography, so it is porn to blame, another bad Atheist invention along with Communism and Facism.

  18. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    It’s pretty childish to name call someone you don’t agree with.

    Catholics have been doing this since they invented Christianity. Do you really think mens sexual makeup has changed over time.

    All of the sexual crimes you read about have been happening forever…and no atheists did not invent porn…someone is feeding you really bad information.

    No more name calling on my blog please.

  19. Justin says:

    WOW study Christianity and realise that only within 30-40 years these rape cases have happened.
    Read 2Timothy Chapter 3 and you would realise Jesus will return very shortly.
    2Timothy Chapter 3 talks about these rape cases 2000 YEARS BEFORE THEY HAPPENED!

    • bt24bt says:

      Believing in SUPERSTITIONS, and Living in a FANTASYLAND, is not only you Harmful to You, being seen by MANY others, as a friggin’ LUNITIC.. and Being COMPLETELY IGNORANT to The Impending DEMISE of America- The Entire Planet. Drop that hocus-pocus for a couple of days, do a reality check, Like in TODAY/Yesterday, and NOT some blah blah blah from a bunch of Jewz, from TWO THOUSAND Years Ago. !! WAKE T F UP. !!! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y&feature=related

  20. Justin says:

    Oh ya funny how you didn’t mention the metaphor of 4 corners.

  21. Justin says:

    Or Messianic prophecies.

  22. followeroftheGreatIAM says:

    Hey!
    Yeah, I’m back again. I didn’t read most of the comments this time, but I do have something to say: I’m in public school for the first time in my whole life, having previously gone to christian school, and then being homeschooled. My faith has definitley taken some twists and turns, but never gone out completely. You say that us christians are believing a bunch of lies, think again. You believe that there is no God. How did the universe come about? Big Bang? No. Evolution? Definitley not. There had to be a Creator, that Creator is God! There is absolutely no getting around that! I’m sorry to say this, it is a little harsh, but you’re going straight down to hell. That is, you’re going to hell if you dont change your ways. There is still time! But not much! You need to repent and get into a good church! I’m going to heaven. Are you? The choice is yours. I hope you make the right decision.

    Blessings to you and yours…

    FolloweroftheGreatIAM

  23. thewordofme says:

    Hi follower, welcome back

    I hope you do well in your new school. How long have you been there and what grade are you in?

    You write:
    “You say that us christians are believing a bunch of lies, think again. You believe that there is no God. How did the universe come about? Big Bang? No. Evolution? Definitley not. There had to be a Creator, that Creator is God! There is absolutely no getting around that! I’m sorry to say this, it is a little harsh, but you’re going straight down to hell.”

    Simply prove God to me.

    If He’s real who created Him?

    I don’t know that I believe in the Big Bang completely. I’m still waiting for science to catch-up on this matter.

    Evolution though is an absolutely real process that is going on all over the world and has been for billions of years. You’ll never know how true it is because you’re prohibited from actually learning about it by your church or parents or both.

    So far all the processes that science has plotted out to account for a completely natural forming of the stars, planets, moons, and life on our planet and possibly others makes perfect sense. Big Bang…not so much.

    You write:
    “That is, you’re going to hell if you dont change your ways. There is still time! But not much! You need to repent and get into a good church! I’m going to heaven. Are you? The choice is yours. I hope you make the right decision.”

    You sound like a Baptist-minister-in-training that I correspond with occasionally.

    If I believed in magic and the supernatural I might be worried by your imprecations…but I’m quite sure that these things do not exist. You are a victim of your parent’s decision to raise you in their own religion, and not allow you to learn much more about the world before you make a decision they guided you to.

    You are not alone though…it happens all over the world, and millions of youngsters are caught up in mind numbing conformity and losing their ability to discern true learning from false teachings. You are among the followers and downtrodden of this world…others tell you what to believe and how to act, and you’ve lost your desire to break free and think for yourself.

    I wish you well in your journey…keep in touch.
    twom
    http://thewordofme.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/adam-and-eve-did-not-exist/

  24. Plankton says:

    I just stumbled across your blog (this article in particular) and wanted to thank you for taking the time to write it. I was looking for exactly the information you wrote to confirm my own thoughts. I’m thankful for people of reason like yourself, please keep up the good work.

  25. thewordofme says:

    Thank you Plankton, I appreciate the kudos.

    Have a great day…

  26. rsm says:

    whose the author of this so called Adam and eve? is this author present at that time god made adam and eve? all i know is that when god created adam and eve.. its only him, adam and eve and the snake.. // so who wrote adam and eve;s story? god? probably the snake. heh..
    i dont believe in religion, for me, its man made.. so what is god’s religion? is he catholic? christian? baptist? jevovah? muslim? buddist? what? i think im begining to believe on science rather than the bible.. just my opinion.

  27. thewordofme says:

    Hi rsm, thanks for writing.

    Moses was supposed to have written the first 5 books of the Bible (Pentateuch) which included the Adam and Eve story, but we now know that Moses probably did not write it. It was probably written by 3 or 4 Hebrews in exile around 540 BC in Babylon, over a thousand years after Moses was supposed to have lived.

    The whole of the Old Testament is probably false…just made up myths.

  28. followeroftheGreatIAM says:

    Hey!
    First of all, I am NOT a victim of my parents religion. One of my parents is an amazing Christian, and the other is an undecided, but he believes more in Christianity than anything else. I get to choose what I believe in. They don’t force me in anything but dicipline. I do think for myself. I make the choice of who to hang out with, where I spend my time, what books to read, what movies to watch, and what music to listen to. The Bible is completely true. God is real. Miracles do happen. It has been proven time and time again that things in the Bible have happened.

    Thank you for the compliment:) I would love to be a pastor, and what do you know! I am a Baptist! Although, my church is actually more like a mixture of Baptist, Penticostal, and Charismatic churches.

    Still, I can only conclude that you will burn in the eternal lake of fire if you don’t leave your current beliefs. Please make the change!

    Blessings….
    followeroftheGreatIAM

    • Dave Wyman says:

      “First of all, I am NOT a victim of my parents religion.”

      You are, you just aren’t aware of it yet.

      “I do think for myself.”

      You don’t, you just aren’t aware of it yet.

      “The Bible is completely true.”

      Can you answer how many generations passed between David and Jesus, according to the Bible? You can if there is more than one answer. Which is correct?

  29. thewordofme says:

    Hello followeroftheGreatIAM, good to ‘talk’ to you again.

    You write:
    “First of all, I am NOT a victim of my parent’s religion. One of my parents is an amazing Christian, and the other is an undecided, but he believes more in Christianity than anything else. I get to choose what I believe in. They don’t force me in anything but discipline. I do think for myself. I make the choice of who to hang out with, where I spend my time, what books to read, what movies to watch, and what music to listen to.”

    Good for you follower. You’re probably a little young yet to fully understand your position on religion and all that it entails. Just my guess you understand, I may be wrong, as I don’t know you that well. I remember when I was young and a newly minted atheist (I was 13) I knew that the Christian religion was wrong (all others also) in my heart, but I didn’t know enough to really explain why I felt this way to others…it took years of study to solidify my thoughts into something I could properly relate to others.

    You write:
    “The Bible is completely true. God is real. Miracles do happen. It has been proven time and time again that things in the Bible have happened.”

    The Bible is NOT completely true…you have much to learn in that respect. Prove to me that God exists. Yes, much of what’s written in the Bible IS true; conversely much of it is untrue and mere myth and allegory. Prayer has Never worked either.

    Are you actually allowed to study information that contradicts your religion? Many are NOT allowed to do this as the information will contradict your faith. Science has disproven much of the bible now and some people just don’t want to look at the evidence.

    You write:
    “Thank you for the compliment:) I would love to be a pastor, and what do you know! I am a Baptist! Although, my church is actually more like a mixture of Baptist, Penticostal , and Charismatic churches.”
    And:
    “Still, I can only conclude that you will burn in the eternal lake of fire if you don’t leave your current beliefs. Please make the change!”

    Yep! You’re a Baptist…can tell by the negativity of your proselytizing. I predict my life will be better than yours. :-)

    Peace,
    twom

  30. followeroftheGreatIAM says:

    Hey!
    Yes, I am allowed to study information that contradicts Christianity. I have to some of the time. What do you think they teach in public schools?

    Prayer DOES work. I have a friend that had a fungus in her stomach for her whole life. Not a month ago she went to the International House Of Prayer (IHOP) in Kansas City. She was prayed for, and the fungus went away! Another girl had vision that required very thick glasses. She was prayed for, and when she woke up in the morning she didn’t need her glasses at all! Many people with flat feet were prayed for, and recieved arches! And that’s only the beginning of what happens when people are prayed for! If prayer doesn’t work, how do you explain the many cases where doctors have said that there is no chance whatsoever, the person gets prayed for, and lives?

    And how do you know beyond the shadow of a doubt that Christianity is incorrect? Because the scientists say so? Because that’s how you were taught? Because all your friends thought so? You basically wasted all those years of your life studying how to prove Christians wrong, which you really can’t do.

    Yeah, I’m young. Yeah, I’m under 21. No one considers me an adult. You certainly don’t. But I seem to have a much better grasp on reality and truth than you do. I don’t PREDICT my life will be better than yours. I KNOW my life will be better than yours. On earth, and for eternity.

    Blessings…
    followeroftheGreatIAM

  31. thewordofme says:

    Hey follower, thanks for the response.

    You write:
    “Yes, I am allowed to study information that contradicts Christianity. I have to some of the time. What do you think they teach in public schools?”

    I’m not sure what they teach in schools nowadays. The evangelical fundamentalists religions have screwed around with local school boards so much that many of them are running scared…afraid to even approach the subject of evolution and real biology.

    So let me ask you…what exactly do you believe of all the Biblical stories?

    Did God create the universe and our solar system with all its worlds, about 6,000 years ago?
    Did God create Adam and Eve as the first humans on earth about 6,000 years ago?
    Did God cause an earth-wide flood and save Noah and 7 other people and either 2 each or 7 each of all the animal life on earth, about 4,300 years ago.
    Did God cause human language to be confused and multiplied at the ‘Tower of Babel’ about 4,000 years ago?
    Did the Hebrews spend 400 years or so in captivity in Egypt?
    Did a man named Moses lead all the Hebrews out of Egypt around 1400 or 1200 BC? (There is some small controversy over the date).
    Did Moses take 600,000 young men and assorted women, children, old folks, and animals through the wilderness for 40 years?
    Did Moses lead the Hebrews through the Red or Reed Sea to escape the ‘Pharaoh?’
    Did Joshua fight the “Battle of Jericho, and cause the walls to come tumbling down?” And did he also destroy the other towns listed in the Bible?
    Who wrote the Gospels?
    Was Jesus a real person? Where is he attested to outside the Bible, in his own time?
    Are you aware that there are hundreds of conflicting verses in the Bible?
    Are you aware that the Catholic Church had unhindered, unsupervised possession of all the books of the Bible for 1500 years and picked everything that appears in the book today, and threw away what THEY didn’t agree with?
    Are you aware of how evil the Catholic Church actually was and is?
    Of the over 2,500 different divisions, or sects, of the Christian religion…which, if any, is right?
    How do you know? Who told you this? You’re betting your whole lifetime on this you know.
    Do you believe the story of Paul that Jesus appeared to him in a ‘beam of light’ on the road to Damascus, and told him to preach stuff that didn’t agree with his (Jesus) teaching while he was alive? Jesus was thoroughly a Jew, and he preached the coming Jewish Kingdom of Heaven on earth.
    Do you believe in magic and the supernatural?
    Do you believe that there are actual angels, ghosts, demons, evil spirits, and Satan? Do you believe you can talk to them or summon them?
    Do you believe there is a literal Hell?
    Do you believe that God needs humans to pray to him and ‘worship’ him all the time? Why do you think God would want this?

    Prayer has been thoroughly tested by science and has not been shown to work…at all. The most that can be expected from it is a kind of placebo effect. Sorry but science does not back up this at all. The examples you give me are all anecdotal or hearsay.

    Jesus says in a number of places in the Gospel that prayer can move mountains or whatever you pray for in his name you will receive, God answers all prayers, etc., but it has never worked for anyone on earth.

    I won’t hold your age against you. :-)

    Peace,
    twom

  32. Plankton says:

    If prayer works then why doesn’t god heal amputees or down syndrome? I feel sorry for anyone who believes in hell and teaching it to children is a form of child abuse. An infinite punishment for a finite crime is infinitely unjust.

  33. Indian says:

    There is reasons behind Religions but not as it is we think within our mindset(within metaphysics)/how local priest teaches within his knowledge/imagination.

  34. David says:

    First of all…the Orthodox churches do NOT believe in a Fall or original sin. However, whatever the origins of humanity…and I believe in evolution frankly…we still are not what we could be. We Orthodox believe that man is “an animal whom God has ordered to become divine”. And that is why Jesus came.

  35. thewordofme says:

    Hi David, thanks for writing.

    You write:
    “First of all…the Orthodox churches do NOT believe in a Fall or original sin.”

    OK, where did all this sin everyone talks about come from? I’m on your side on this particular point.

    There never was an Adam and Eve, as described in the Bible, so of course there was no “Original Sin”

    Evolution is saying modern type humans came about 200,000 years ago…and we probably had no language for many tens of thousands of years after that.

    The whole of the creation stories in the Bible is not true…almost all of the Pentateuch is made up. Much of the rest of it is also myth. There is no evidence at all for the Bible being divinely inspired.

    It took nearly 400 years after the death of “Jesus” before the church could pull itself together in a coherent fashion…and then almost immediately it shattered into many competing groups and sects, and has been killing and fighting amongst themselves ever since…and I might add screwing over humanity in general (think Dark and Middle Ages).

    If in fact there were a God, there would not be 4000 different ways to acknowledge and worship Him.

    Totally mythological thing this religious scam.

    There is zero real evidence for God. Plenty of circumstantial evidence for Christianity being a con job.

    twom

  36. Nina says:

    Hi! I just wanted to pop in and say how much I love reading your blog. I think it’s wonderful that you actually take the time to respond in detail to those people who write in attempting to challenge scientific data with a literal (and often tortured) interpretation of the Bible.

    It really worries me that so many people are willfully ignorant about basic scientific facts. I live in Canada, and it’s not as bad as it seems it is in the United States, but I still know many, many people who believe the Bible is literally true.

    It seems so odd to me, because it seems obvious that the Bible is a pretty loose (and recent, in terms of human existence) collection of writings with different purposes: some historical, some mythological, some genealogical, some poetic.

    When did it become de rigeur for Christians to believe it’s all literally true?

    Anyway, just wanted to tell you how much I enjoy the blog :)

    • Anonymous says:

      there are no facts there is no god only therory, if you have not experienced the spiritual realm of our creator you have too much soul not enough spirit study all my post then you will understand! you are not worth my time nor gods time in this life. Galeane Theriot on facebook! Learn about the bule soul take your soul color test and remove yourself for god to have room in your lives!

  37. thewordofme says:

    Hello Nina, thank you for your comment.

    Thank you very much for the appreciation (me with big head) I enjoy “talking” with the religious folk. I like the interchange of ideas when I get a really intelligent one on the hook. Most of them are not aware of how fast science is overtaking their faith and they resist learning anything new. I’m afraid Americas religious right (fundamentalist- evangelicals) have no hope…they purposely embrace scientific illiteracy for fear it will damage their world-view.

    The rise of belief that the Bible is inerrant and literal can probably be laid at the doorstep of fundagelicals. A big influence here in the states is the ministry of “Answers in Genesis” (AiG) and they are hell-bent on proving the book of Genesis as a true historical document that lays out how God created our world and everything in it. They are the ones who created and run the AiG Creation Museum in Kentucky…they stop at no truth to convince all they are right. :-)

    Someone once said that if you tell a big enough lie, long enough, it will be believed…Goebbels I think.

    Again, thank you for writing and I hope you have a nice life. Stop by anytime.
    twom

  38. Anonymous says:

    I was a born again Christian. I let Jesus into my life when I was 16. However now
    I regret all the time wasted at meetings. Four a week. I was baptised. Spoke in tongues
    and preached from the pulpit for three years as a lay preacher.

    My road to enlightenment started when I heard someone say that the story of Adam and Eve
    was a children’s story from Sunday school. Doubt set in and I started to get evidence to
    strengthen my faith. I listened to Kent Hoven lectures, intelligent design and my
    faith in the Bible began to crumble even further. Kent Hovens proofs of creation are Sunday
    School level. I’m sure if I was 8 I would tie him in knots. No intelligent adult would believe
    them unless they were biased by their beliefs.

    Today we have the technology. The internet. The information age. Use it. Not all is kosher.
    But one would definitely come to the conclusion that all religions days are numbered.

    Our dark days are over. We know nature by the weather causes lightning, thunder, famines
    etc not god.

    We know Doctors and Scientists have done more good than all the healing evangelists
    Many diseases have been eradicated. Polio, small pox etc.

    We know genetic engineering of food will feed the masses and not miracles.

    I live in South Africa. We are from religious stock just like in the States. It is hard to leave
    your faith. Your wife and family think you are back sliding. Your Christian friends think you are
    in sin or demon possessed etc.

    There is too much evidence for an old universe today. Hubble has revealed how large the
    Universe really is. Billions of light years and trillions of km across. If god made that for man
    It would be like putting an ant in a house the size of the USA. Ridiculous

    What about the fossil record. All those dinosaurs, All those upright apes, etc. Different animals
    on different continents. Madagascar has no lions or any African animals. Only animals found
    there and no where else.

    The Jewish and Christian and Moslem religions came from Egypt. After seven thousand years
    Of dogma it time to dump them. Hold on to what is good in them. Like love, kindness,
    goodness, peace etc.But reject bigotry, narrow mindedness, intolerance, blind faith, tithing etc.

  39. thewordofme says:

    Hello Anonymous, thank you for writing.

    Kent Hovind is still in prison the last I heard. They got him on about 50 counts of tax fraud.

    Many of the Old Testament stories are fake…they never happened. Even the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) of the New Testament are written by unknown authors. There are enough anomalies and outright lies in the Bible to totally disprove the Christian and Jewish religion. Since Islam is a copy of Christianity in many ways it is fake also.

    People in religious leadership have conned and ripped off the common folk for 2500 years. Time for that to stop.

  40. Steve says:

    So, you believe that when you die, that’s it?

    How does it feel knowing that when you die, that’s the end? There’s nothing more to you?

    Well, there is a life after this one, but you obviously refuse to believe it. And all of this is based on your own arrogance and hatred of Christianity. But more to the point, it’s based on your hatred of your Creator.

    I really feel sorry for you and I hope that you will change your ways. But likely not.

    • thewordofme says:

      Hi Steve, thank for writing.

      Well I have been waiting for many many years now for ANY proof at all that there is an afterlife. There is not one shred of any kind of evidence. There is no magic or supernatural in this world…never was.

      Eat your words mister… I am not arrogant, and how can I hate something that doesn’t exist? :-)

      I have proof on my side, you have nothing but a belief that is getting more and more dis-proven as time goes by. How can you live with knowing this? I bet I know…you just deny the evidence…am I right?

      twom

  41. Dave Wyman says:

    Hoo Ha! I’m with twom on this. You can’t “hate” something which you don’t believe in.

    “How does it feel know that when you die, that’s the end?”

    I can’t say I feel much of anything. Certainly not resentment, or dread.

    It looks like, Steve, that you are projecting your own arrogance and hatred outward, because deep down, you know the truth: that your beliefs are based on stories created by Bronze Age goat herders – nice stories, with some ethical rules (many of which don’t apply today), but with otherwise no basis in reality.

    You know that, but you can’t accept it, so you lash out, like closeted Republican politicians who say they are anti-gay..

  42. Plankton says:

    “How does it feel know that when you die, that’s the end?”

    It makes me feel like the life I have is beyond precious. Worth enjoying every moment. It makes me think twice about the relationships I have with the people I love since, when they are gone I will not see them again in some magic theme park in the sky.

  43. Anonymous says:

    “It makes me feel like the life I have is beyond precious. Worth enjoying every moment. It makes me think twice about the relationships I have with the people I love since, when they are gone I will not see them again in some magic theme park in the sky.”

    +1

    My little dog, whom was with my family for 15 years, died two nights ago. He meant all the more to me all those years because I knew he would probably die before me. I am sure the knowledge that we do last forever is what makes us human. To know – and more, to acknowledge the entire truth, that there is no afterlife, makes us human, too.

  44. Galeane says:

    http://thewordofme.wordpress.com/2009/03/07/adam-and-eve-did-not-exist/

    I am asking you to remove me from this site I am reporting youand BT for allowing Salndering of my Name by Bt Robert Turner!! I have deleted my multiply account!! He will not stop harrassing myn Via E-mails.

  45. Wonderful website. Lots of helpful information here. I am sending it to some buddies ans also sharing in delicious. And of course, thank you in your effort!

  46. Julie Hagan Bloch says:

    But you all are forgetting the REAL creator of the universe, His Noodliness the Flying Spaghetti Monster! Ramen!

  47. the word of me says:

    Ramen to you Ms. Bloch….thanks for commenting.

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