Biblical Flood Was Not Worldwide

The following story is semi-true, or maybe semi-false, I don’t remember. The names have been changed to protect the guilty.

“So, tell me Fred, what do you know about Noah’s flood?”

“What do you mean, what do I know?”

“You know, do you think it’s true; do you have any thoughts about it at all?”

“No, I don’t think it’s a believable or true story, I think it’s probably allegory.”

“Why would you think that? There are flood stories from civilizations around the world.”

“That may be, but most of the stories don’t have a close correlation to the Bible story. The only flood story that closely resembles it is The Epic of Gilgamesh, and it is written 400 to 500 years before the biblical one. I think it’s possible that someone took the Gilgamesh story and changed a few things and made it theirs. Besides, there is no real evidence of a worldwide flood, and no evidence at all for a flood around about the time mentioned in the Bible and in the area that Noah was likely to be at that time.”

“Well, I’ve heard that the evidence is all over the world and in all civilizations.”

Don, I don’t think that is true. Yes, there is evidence for floods all over the world, but it is for all different times in history. There was never a time when all the flooding occurred at the same time. And some civilizations that didn’t live near oceans, rivers, lakes, etc. never did have flood myth’s.”

“Well, a speaker at our church told us that all of the archeological evidence, you know, the layers of earth and such, are explained by the flood waters churning around on earth for a year or so.”

“I really don’t think that’s possible Don.” You look at the layers of rock and dirt and bones and artifacts in a archeological dig or in oil well cores that geologists take when they are trying to determine were to drill for oil. If you look at enough of these things and from all over the world you can’t help but notice that the first mile depth of the earth is sorted in exactly the same sequence. All the dinosaur bones are in one layer, all the trilobites are in another layer, all evidence of certain critters that have gone extinct are in another, and evidence of man is at the top. The layers that are found are the record of millions of years of life and death on earth, not only 4,000 years like they teach in church.”

Don smiles. “How do you know about oil wells Fred?”

“Didn’t I ever talk to you about it before?”

“No.”

“Back in the early 70’s I worked in the oil business in West Texas, around Big Spring, Midland-Odessa, Snyder, and Brownfield. The company I was with surveyed oil wells to determine at what depth and in what quantities the oil was coming from. By the late 70’s the oil business in Texas went into the toilet, but anyway I learned a lot about Geology at that time. Also if you read any modern Geology book you’ll find much better explanations than I can give you. I don’t think the explanation you got in church is even close to the real facts.”

“Well, that’s only one thing. I’m sure there are more things that back up the Bible story.”

“There are a lot more things that don’t back up the story, than do. For example Greenland ice-cores go back about 40,000 years and there are things that you would expect to find such as sediment, changes in salinity, oxygen ratios, stresses, and more that I can’t even remember—and there is no evidence for this. The Polar ice caps are another example. A worldwide flood would float the ice caps off their beds and break them into pieces, and there would not be enough time to regrow them to the size they are now. Another thing is that we have tree ring data going back some 10,000 years and there is no flood indication for the appropriate time. Some scientists have said that a flood like that of Noah would leave certain traces on the earth’s seabed’s that they don’t see. But, you know what seals it for me?

“What?”

“Egypt was building pyramids, had a written language and recorded everything, and they were right next door to Noah. They have no written OR geological evidence of a flood on that scale…Nada…Nothing. And another thing, in the UK the druids were building Stonehenge at this time…no evidence there either. There is much more, but I’m not a scientist and I can’t remember it all. You might want to do a little research before believing that story from church.”

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19 Responses to Biblical Flood Was Not Worldwide

  1. Mathew Paul says:

    Noah’s flood took place in pre-historical times. Written records about that time are not available to us.

    If the flood was only a local flood, the Bible is not falsified. There are many Bible teachers who believe that Noah’s flood was a local flood. ‘All the earth’ in the story can just mean all the inhabited earth.

    The point of the story is that God punishes sin where ever it is found. Every one will know that that is true sooner or later.

    If you can challenge the historicity of Jesus, that is challenging the Bible. Please try doing that if you want to falsify the Bible.

    Bye for now.

  2. thewordofme says:

    Noah’s flood, according to many Biblical scholars, happened about 2360-2370 BCE. By that time anywhere from 5 to 8 Egyptian pyramids had been built. Egypt had a language and Hieroglyphs to record what was happening in the land. This was historical times in Egypt.

    If the flood was a local flood, as the evidence suggests, although at an earlier date, then the Bible is lying, because it clearly states…the whole world. There are 23 points of similarity with the Epic of Gilgamesh, written 400 or so years before the Bible. Sounds fishy to me.

    A loving God does not commit genocide to punish a few sinners.

    Who outside of the Biblical canon writes about Jesus in his own time? Here is a man going around the countryside raising the DEAD for God’s sake :), curing people of the most feared diseases of the times, and no one thinks to write about this. Sounds fishy to me.
    I know of Josephus, but he was writing at a much later date.

  3. Mathew Paul says:

    No Bible student follows Bishop Ussher’s Biblical chronology to day.

    Epic of Gilgamesh only shows that there was a common tradition of the flood there.

    That sin will be punished is as sure as night follows day. It is not genocide. It is like farmers destroying birds with flu to protect the species.

    Would you make up lie and then die for that lie?

    To me the greatest evidence for the resurrection of Jesus is the martyrdom of His ten disciples in ten different parts of the world.

    Do you want better evidence? No one can offer any thing better for any thing any where in the world. I bet. Take it or leave it as you choose.

  4. Phil says:

    It can be just as dangerous to take for granted what comes from a pulpit as taking for granted what comes from a scientific article. Everyone is forming different opinions with the same evidences when it comes to science; the flood is no different. It is good to look at all sides when forming your conclusion.

    Just as Christians need to better understand the side of the evidence they don’t agree with, it is healthy for you to do the same. I recommend “The Genesis Flood,” by Whitcomb and Morris. This book takes the Christian view point of a global flood and verifies it with science.

    This is a much better defense than “Because the Bible says so.” While I do believe everything the Bible teaches, I also believe God gave me a brain and prefers when I use it. I believe everything recorded in the Bible has enough scientific evidence to back it up, and it is the responsibility of Christians to study these evidences. This book is a great source of evidence for a global flood that might give a rational thinker such as yourself something to chew on from a follower of Jesus beside “Because the Bible says so.” (Can you tell I hate that answer?)

    Since I am such a fan of the book, and you seem to be one who likes to research and study when formulating an opinion, I would like to buy you a copy and have it mailed to you as a gift from a fellow blogger. You just let me know. Nice blog by the way.

  5. thewordofme says:

    Hi Phil, Short answer for now. Got to get my ducks in a row. Whitcomb and Morris wrote the book nearly 50 years ago, did they not?

    Many, Many, Many new discoveries since that time. Radiocarbon dating was in infancy, vast improvements since. Some methods of dating were not even in existence then. Major flood was known of in the area, but it was in 2900 BCE, not in 2200-2400 BCE which would spread over most dates given from Bible research.
    You said that the book “takes the Christian view point of a global flood and verifies it with science.” Why were naturalists questioning the Biblical flood as early as the 1700’s?
    Thanks for your reply.

  6. Phil says:

    Here are a few ducks I have tried to line up.

    You said “Whitcomb and Morris wrote the book nearly 50 years ago, did they not?” It is rather unreasonable to render a document or piece of work invalid based on age. For example, the Constitution is still valid (when actually applied…). Also, saying Darwin’s Theory is wrong because it is old would hardly be accepted (there are enough errors to take care of that for me though).

    In all seriousness, you mentioned advances in radiocarbon to the advantage of an old earth. However, there are many problems with this dating method (amidst the other methods you spoke of) and typically very generous assumptions of a very old earth are made before testing even begins.

    Please allow me to offer one further reading (online and significantly shorter than the first). The following link is an article about radiocarbon dating, along with other forms of dating as well. I strongly encourage you to take a look: http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2002/carbon_dating.asp

    Also, forgive my ignorance, but you have me confused on your last statement. I couldn’t figure out what naturalists questioning the flood in the 1700’s has to do with Christians giving evidence for said flood in present time. Any objection on any topic is directly or indirectly related one to another, right? Only the evidence (or lack there of in an objection) matters in validating said objection or debunking the original claim.

    Sorry this is so long. I had a lot of ducks.
    Enjoying the dialogue though,
    -Phil

  7. Phil says:

    By the way, a delayed CONGRATS! on your newest granddaughter.
    -Phil

  8. Matt says:

    Hold on, someone tried referencing AiG as a credible source of evidence?
    Hehe. Funny.

  9. thewordofme says:

    Hi Matt, I have even referred people to them, to let them see for themselves how botched up their “science” is.
    Thanks for your input. :-}

  10. Hannah says:

    Every bit of research that I have done has pointed to a world wide flood. Do you believe in the Ark? If you do, why did Noah have to build it big enough to fit all the animals of the world in it? God told Noah about the flood over 100 years before it actually happened. Why didn’t Noah just move to another area? Walking 15 miles a day, he could have gone around the earth a couple times before the flood actually came!!!!
    And what about the Grand Canyon? Oh, yeah, that took like 100 million years to form, right?! Oh, but I thought God created the earth just a few thousand years ago!
    Wy don’t you go to answersingenesis.org and check out some of their articles on how some canyons have been formed in 6 days.
    God sent the flood as a judgement on the evil people. He didn’t just send it to one group, he sent it to the whole earth.
    And…
    If my memory serves me right, God promised to never send a flood like that. Here are the exact words from the KJV. Genesis 9:21 “… neither again will i smite any more EVERY LIVING THING, as I have done.”
    That kinda sounds like he destroyed everyliving thing on the earth. Not just animals and humans, but also plants. Im sure there were plants all over the earth, and God destroyed every living thing so that obviously shows it happened all over the earth.
    I noticed you said something about the egyptians not having any evidence. well, what about the gilgamesh epic? try reading the book “the flood” by Rehwinkel and I think you might change your thinking.
    Actually, just read the Bible. If you don’t believe Genesis, then don’t bother believing that Jesus came and died for you.

  11. Matt says:

    Ha! I have read the Bible, cover to cover numerous times. Even had me a right ol’ religious upbringing so I know what I happen to be talking about.

    And no, there is no evidence for any sort of global flood and a lot against it. Where did the water come from, hm? Not one proposed model stands up to any scrutiny.
    If the listed dimensions of the ark are accurate then it would be a physical impossibility for the number of animals to fit inside, let alone all the food they’d need, room for waste disposal, fences/barriers to stop them eating each other … and then there’s ventilation. The animals would have asphyxiated in no time in such conditions. Look at modern live sheep transport ships; impossibly better conditions than any ark and yet animals still die on them all the time.

    And no, there is no evidence for any sort of exodus from Egypt. Such a thing happening would have left Egypt in social and economic ruin and yet there is not one mention of such a thing happening – not even from Egypt’s enemies from the time who would have used the chance to charge in and conquer the place.

    The Grand Canyon. Right. Take a look at the topography, from any sort of global flood to have formed it … water would have had to have flowed the entirely wrong way.

  12. thewordofme says:

    Hi Hannah,
    Thank you for taking time to write me.

    First let me ask you; how old do you think the earth and humans are?

  13. Chris Taylor says:

    Hey, I’m doing a little bit of personal research on atheism and atheists and I have a question up over at my site. I’m curious if any of you would mind visiting and give an answer?

    Here’s the question if you would be interested in coming by to answer it:

    When you embraced Atheism (for those that officially embraced it), how did you feel? (i.e. was it like waking up, a weight lifted, what?)

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    Thanks!
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  14. Wally says:

    Ok, Right off the bat, I am not a scholar, I havent gone to a bible collage, and iv onlt been a christian for about 5 years. But i have stidied to bible enough and seen multibul seminars on the flood and the fact of the matter is that there was a flood that took place around 4400 years ago. Most of the eart was inhabbited in some way or another. Just not to the extent it is today, obviously. And because almost all of the earth was inhabited God wanted to remove all people that were curropt. so that leavs noah and his family. The reason that every one execpt for noah and his family were curopt was because they were decentants of Adam and Eve, who were curupt. But god blessed noah and his family to be the start of a new nation, and essentially a new world, PS. if you didnt notice there was an awful lot that fred couldent remeber, but not that way with don, anyways, If God only wanted to destroy part of the earth dont you think he would have said he was only going to destroy part of it. and the reason that there is no recorded records of the flood was beasue nobody belived noah was because everyone had diesd in the flood and noah was the rebirth of the nations. If you have more question you can email me at rebel_mustang_06@yahoo.com
    Thanks Wally

  15. thewordofme says:

    Hi Wally, Thanks for writing.

    Sorry guy, there is not any doubt that the flood never happened the way and time that the Bible records. Churches are just hanging on to the story in spite of the evidence.

    The story of mans time on earth that is emerging from actual research is proving lots of Bible stuff is not true.

    Of course you can believe whatever you want

  16. Anonymous says:

    The whole story of the Exoudus is simply contradictory to modern archaological findings. Large groups of Israelites wandering around in the desert for decades would leave a pretty big footprint. We have no evidence to support the claims of the Exoudus story.

    And the Flood is complete hogwash too. If Creationists would just take a passing glance at the fossil record they would realize that it is in complete agreement with the current evolutionary theory. It doesn’t make any sense at all that the Flood would arrange the fossil record in the way that it is now.

  17. thewordofme says:

    Hi Anonymous,

    You’re preaching to the choir here. Those Jews were sure crafty to get so many gentiles to believe their Big-Myth of Yahweh, et al.

  18. Anonymous says:

    carbon dating fails bigtime, if you actually cared enough to read about it. hint: look at the assumptions made 😉

  19. thewordofme says:

    Hi Anonymous,

    Sorry dude, C-14 dating works big-time. Have read lots about it. Have friend who works in major C-14 lab

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