God of Love? God of Torture and Death?

Do you feel the love emanating from the Bible? No? Maybe this is why.

2 Chronicles 25:12. “And the other ten thousand left alive
did the children of Judah carry away captive, and brought
them unto the top of the rock, and cast them down from the
top of the rock, that they were all broken in pieces.

Deuteronomy 14:21. “Ye shall not eat of any thing that dieth
of itself: thou shalt give it unto the stranger that is in thy
gates, that he may eat it; or thou mayest sell it unto an alien:
for thou art an holy people unto the Lord thy God. Thou
shalt not seethe a kid in his mother’s milk.”

2 Samuel 8:4. “And David took from him a thousand
chariots, and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty
thousand footmen: and David houghed [humstrung] all the
chariot horses, but reserved of them for an hundred
chariots.”

2 Samuel 12:31. “And he brought forth the people that were
therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of
iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through
the brick kiln:
and thus did he unto all the cities of the
children of Ammon. So David and all the people returned
unto Jerusalem.”

2 Kings 2:23-24. “23. And he went up from thence unto
Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth
little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto
him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. 24. And
he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the
name of the Lord.
And there came forth two she bears out of
the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”

Exodus 21:7. “And if a man sell his daughter to be a
maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.”

Samuel 15:3. “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly
destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both
man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel
and ass.”

2 Samuel 4:12. “And David commanded his young men, and
they slew them, and cut off their hands and their feet, and
hanged them up over the pool in Hebron. But they took the
head of Ishbosheth, and buried it in the sepulchre of Abner
in Hebron.”

Num. 5:12-21. “12. Speak unto the children of Israel, and
say unto them, If any man’s wife go aside, and commit a
trespass against him, 13. And a man lie with her carnally,
and it be hid from the eyes of her husband, and be kept
close, and she be defiled, and there be no witness against
her, neither she be taken with the manner; 14. And the spirit
of jealousy come upon him, and he be jealous of his wife,
and she be defiled: or if the spirit of jealousy come upon
him, and he be jealous of his wife, and she be not defiled:
15. Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest,
and…18. And the priest shall set the woman before the
Lord, and uncover the woman’s head, and put the offering
of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and
the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth
the curse: 19. And the priest shall charge her by an oath,
and say unto the woman, if no man have lain with thee, and
if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another
instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water
that causeth the curse: 20. But if thou hast gone aside to
another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and
some man have lain with thee beside thine husband: 21.
Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of
cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, the Lord
make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the
Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell.”

Num. 25:3-4. “3. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor:
and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel. 4. And
the Lord said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people,
and hang them up before the Lord against the sun
, that the
fierce anger of the Lord may be turned away from Israel.”

Exod. 21:20-21. “20. And if a man smite his servant, or his
maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be
surely punished. 21. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or
two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money.”

Num. 31:15-18. “15. And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women alive? 16. Behold, these caused the
children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit
trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there
was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.17. Now
therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him.18. But all the
women children, that have not known a man by lying with
him, keep alive for yourselves.”

Exodus 21:2-6. “2. If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years
he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for
nothing… 5. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my
master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: 6.
Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall
also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his
master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall
serve him for ever.”

Deuteronomy 25:11-12. “11. When men strive together one
with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to
deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him,
and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets:
12.Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity
her.”

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11 Responses to God of Love? God of Torture and Death?

  1. Mathew Paul says:

    In the Old Testment some times punishments were meted out which seem very cruel to modern readers. That sin would be punished with severity is never to be questioned. It is like removing cancerous cells from human body that the person may survive. If you know any thing of the culture of the people whom Iraelites destroyed when they came to Canaan from Egypt, you would know that they were the most corrupt of the human race. If they were allowed to live on, the twentieth centuary epidemic (AIDS) would have hit human race then itself. Imagine the condition of human race if that had happened! To prevent that from happening, God had to remove those corrupt nations from the face of the earth. Thank God for His mercy.

  2. thewordofme says:

    You would think a ‘loving God’ would maybe just ‘dematerialize’ those sinful little babies, instead of allowing soldiers cut them to pieces with swords or perhaps bash them against a wall or stomp them to death. The Jewish people of the Old Testament were not only idiots, but their ‘laws’ that supposedly came from God were stupid and thats putting it nicely. Their views on sex were very very warped.
    Why, I wonder, would a ‘loving God’ create all the terrible diseases that have crippled humanity down through the ages? Did he create them when he kicked Adam and Eve out of the Garden, or were they already there just waiting? Was this part of the cursing of mankind punishment that our ‘loving God’ inflicted on Billions of humans.
    Our ‘loving God’ has really looked out for his creations, don’t you think?
    I wonder why God, who is ‘all knowing’ would even allow these horrible people to exist in the first place?

  3. Mathew Paul says:

    I submit that the earth as created by God was an ideal place to live in with every blessing in it.

    I submit that man chose to obey the enemy than God and the present world is the result of the same.

    I submit that the world is under the power of the Evil One and all the sickness and mysery that we see all around are his making.

    I submit that God in Christ came as a man and redeemed the world and the process of redemption is going on now as people choose to believe God in Christ over against the devil.

    I also submit that the myseries of sin will soon come to an end and a king will rule in righteousness and peace on this earth soon.

    Now I wish you would give me an explanation of the existence of the earth and mankind and their present predicament. Is it going to continue endlessly without a hope or what is to be expected for the future? Please give me in black and white as to what you believe about the given issues and your reasons for doing so. I will truly appreciate your reply and jokes apart, if you give me a better expanation than what I hold which can show practical results as I produced in my life, I will whole=heartedly accept your position. Waiting earnestly for your immediate reply. Thanks in advance!

  4. thewordofme says:

    Hi Mathew Paul, Go to latest blog.

  5. Mathew Paul says:

    As you asked I went to your latest blog and found your answer there.

    You said in the last para, “I…don’t know the explanation of the existence of us…and I wish I had the answer to the predicament of man/woman kind”
    in your blog on answer to life.

    Thank you for your clear cut answer.

    Good bye.

  6. theist says:

    How to Make $250,000
    You can find Dr. Hovind’s offer at:http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=250k

  7. thewordofme says:

    Hi theist, thanks for your reply.

    I refer you to this page in Wikipedia:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_science

    First and third paragraphs from article follow:
    “Creation science or scientific creationism is a movement within creationism, which attempts to use scientific means to disprove the accepted scientific theories on the history of the Earth, cosmology and biological evolution and prove the Genesis account of creation. Its most vocal proponents are fundamentalist and conservative Christians in the United States who seek to prove Biblical inerrancy and mount a challenge against the scientifically accepted theory of evolution. Key concepts in creation science include the notion of “creation ex nihilo”; that mankind and other life on earth were created as unique, fixed baraminological kinds, and the notion that fossils found in geological strata are indicative of an historical flood which extended over the whole earth. While creation science purports to be a true scientific challenge to the theory of evolution, often referred to by creation science proponents as Darwinism or as Darwinian evolution, it has never been recognized by or accepted within the scientific community as a valid scientific method of inquiry.”

    “Critics emphasize that creation science fails to meet the key criteria of any true science because it lacks empirical support, supplies no tentative hypotheses, and resolves to describe natural history in terms of scientifically untestable supernatural events. The teaching of creation science in public schools in the United States effectively ended in 1987 when the United States Supreme Court determined the creation science taught in Louisiana public schools was not a legitimate scientific theory, and ruled its teaching unconstitutional in Edwards v. Aguillard because its true purpose was to advance a particular religious belief.”

    I especially like the first sentence of the above paragraph.

    And a later paragraph:
    “The scientific community has overwhelmingly rejected the ideas put forth in creation science as lying outside the boundaries of a legitimate science. The foundational premises underlying scientific creationism disqualify it as a science because the answers to all inquiry therein are preordained to conform to Bible doctrine, and because that inquiry is constructed upon theories which are not empirically testable in nature. Scientists also deem creation science’s attacks against biological evolution to be without scientific merit. Those views of the scientific community were accepted in two significant court decisions in the 1980s, which found the field of creation science to be a religious mode of inquiry but not scientific one.”

    The names of the people that Dr. Hovind uses as judges are probably followed by a Doctorate of Divinity as well as real credentials.

  8. theist says:

    Oh, yes. That is right. They are believers in that ancient book called the Bible. Their approach may be pseudo-sceitific. But that is not the question here. The question is, “Can any one prove the folloing scientifically”? Then the money could be theirs.

    1) Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
    2) Planets and stars formed from space dust.
    3) Matter created life by itself.
    4) Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
    5) Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed to birds or mammals).

    Prove these scientifically and claim the money. That’s it. Have a go. Good luck.

  9. thewordofme says:

    Can you prove otherwise?

    We are watching several areas in space right now that are giving birth to stars. Star formation is well understood, by physicists and astronomers.

    If ALL things had to have a beginning, then a god is subject to the same theory.

    The ancient Hebrew myth of El, Elohim, Yahweh, Jehovah is just that, a myth. They suffered and died just as much as other peoples of the time, in fact even more so, because they would rebel, thinking some god would help them win. Never happened.

    That people still believe such silliness is astounding. Never any proof of this god, never any proof that he did any helping of his ‘chosen people.’ Never any proof that he is in existence today…just some delusional followers who cannot prove anything and like to flaunt their ignorance by attacking sciences that are real.

    Prove to me there is a god.

  10. everlast says:

    Not to get in the middle of one of the oldest arguments in the world. But I offer a thought. The arguments over proving whether God is real or just a myth made up by the human race to make some udder understanding of why we are here is never going to end. It will never be proven because the whole concept of religion is based on faith. If it is a provable fact, then there is no need for faith. if a man tells you he can fly, you either believe in him that he can or he can’t, but if he shows you he can, then belief no longer plays a factor. Also as far as creationism, if it’s intently true, that say man came from monkeys and according to darwin, “its survival of the fittest” why are there species of animals, reptles, bugs, whatever that are millions of years old, that some how never evolved, yet in one great generation gap monkeys evolved into man. also then why havent the rest of the monkeys evolved into man. because there is no proof for evolution either. and if you say well what about the dinsours, well there is mention of them, only they were referenced as giants in the bible. And most science today at best is even inaccurate or changed every few years. take carbon dating, its already been proved that it doesnt work, they have tried running the same test on the same bone sample from two different spots and guess what they came up with two different answers, and they were millions of years apart, ,and that was just on the same bone, it was even proven in 2007 how every one thought idetical twins had the exact same DNA is not even true. So even science today is faulty and ever changing. So its inevitable that this argument will continue for ever being one, if you dont belive you will find reason to continue to not to, and believe that religion was only set up to make rules and judgments, but if thats true then the end result of your death is nothing, so why would you not do everything your mind desires if there are no consequences. and If you do believe then you know that the devil is responsible for making those that dont believe and will do anything in his power to corrupt those that do. that’s why they call it faith, because if you knew then there would be no reason to believe, and there would have been no point in creating the bible, and continue the teachings. and Even if you don’t believe then why do you bother to try in life knowing the end result is nothing. or is it fear of the unknown that there may possibly be something after death that keeps you from killing, and stealing, and anything else that you feel like you could do even if you could get away with it.

  11. thewordofme says:

    Hi everlast, thank you for writing.

    You write:
    “Not to get in the middle of one of the oldest arguments in the world. But I offer a thought. The arguments over proving whether God is real or just a myth made up by the human race to make some udder understanding of why we are here is never going to end. It will never be proven because the whole concept of religion is based on faith. If it is a provable fact, then there is no need for faith.”

    Religion cannot prove any of the tenets it believes in…No religions ever have been proven…
    science can.

    You write:
    “If a man tells you he can fly, you either believe in him that he can or he can’t, but if he shows you he can, then belief no longer plays a factor. Also as far as creationism, if it’s intently true, that say man came from monkeys and according to Darwin, “its survival of the fittest” why are there species of animals, reptiles, bugs, whatever that are millions of years old, that some how never evolved, yet in one great generation gap monkeys evolved into man. also then why havent the rest of the monkeys evolved into man. because there is no proof for evolution either. and if you say well what about the dinsours, well there is mention of them, only they were referenced as giants in the bible.”

    You’re comprehension of science is seriously lacking. If you are going to argue about the subject, you need to understand it and be able to discuss the subject with intelligence.

    You write:
    “And most science today at best is even inaccurate or changed every few years. take carbon dating, its already been proved that it doesnt work, they have tried running the same test on the same bone sample from two different spots and guess what they came up with two different answers, and they were millions of years apart, ,and that was just on the same bone, it was even proven in 2007 how everyone thought identical twins had the exact same DNA is not even true.”

    Again you are seriously lacking in basic understanding of how science works and you do not know what you are talking about. C-14 and the dozens of other dating methods can be proven and they are used to cross check archaeological dating all the time.

    From what you are writing I would guess you are a evangelical fundamentalist and think the Bible is literal truth. Believe what you want. You are being deceived though.

    You write:
    “So even science today is faulty and ever changing. So its inevitable that this argument will continue forever being one, if you don’t believe you will find reason to continue to not to, and believe that religion was only set up to make rules and judgments, but if that’s true then the end result of your death is nothing, so why would you not do everything your mind desires if there are no consequences.”

    One of the basic truths about science is that as new information about a subject is discovered, our understanding of the subject being studied changes.

    Science follows the evidence. Religion does not…it has to be right the first time or it’s not God given. Lots of things about religion have been proven untrue…even the part about humans going crazy and killing and raping if there was no God to give rules…many civilizations have come up with their own ‘Golden Rule’ and they did not believe in a Christian God.

    Despite all you’re protesting…God, or gods, have never been proven to be true…ever.
    twom

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