Random Musings on Religion and Theology

The omnipotence paradox is perfectly displayed in the Bible at: (Judges 1:19) And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron. GOD cannot defeat iron chariots; come on, your kidding…right?

“The goal of theodicy is to show that there are convincing reasons why a just, compassionate and omnipotent being (Christian God) would permit pointless and debilitating suffering to flourish. But any method of inquiry that begins with a predetermined conclusion is not rational and scientific, as one point of view suggests. Some suggest that the goal of theodicy is not to determine the truth, but to convince skeptics by any means possible that a reasonably doubted proposition is, in fact, true.” From Wikipedia, Parenthesis added.

On the other hand….

“No theodicy is needed or even appropriate. God is so far superior to humankind, that God cannot be judged by humankind. Humankind’s assumption that we can tell God what a benevolent and all-powerful god can or cannot do is mere arrogance. Also from Wikipedia, emphasis added.

(John 14:28) “for my Father is Greater than I”

Scholars investigating the historical Jesus often assert that Jesus taught neither his own equality with God nor the Trinity. Jesus referred to ascending unto “my Father, and to your Father; and to my God, and to your God”, and that he said, “the Father is the only true God.”

Constantine established the Nicene Creed long after Jesus died. Basically there were two beliefs afoot before 325 AD. The nontrinitarians and those who believed God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit (What is that anyway?), was just one “Thing.” These were the Trinitarians. Constantine seemed to prefer Trinity and Eusebius, in on this gathering from the beginning, converted hastily to the Trinitarian view. Eusubius goes to work quickly, on commission of Constantine, and starts pulling together many hundreds of religious writings to produce the basic Bible we have today.

The word “Trinity” does not appear in the Old Testament or New Testament. Various passages from both have been cited as supporting this doctrine, while other passages are cited as opposing it.

So, God is a God. Jesus is a God. The Holy Spirit is a God. They three have always existed, weren’t created, so they are equal in power. So Christianity kind of keeps the pagan three gods concept going.

The Assyrians, the Druids, the Persian, the Phoenicians, the Scandinavians, the ancient Mexicans, the Peruvians, and others, worshipped “Trinitarian” pagan deities long before the Nicean council of 325 C.E. officially recognized this to be God’s “true” nature. Now this fits in perfectly with the Catholic Churches propensity to incorporate pagan beliefs into Church Gospel so they can grab and hold on to the flock.

T. W. Doane, a writer of the 19th. Century, says:

“The works of Plato were extensively studied by the Church Fathers, one of whom joyfully recognizes in the great teacher, the schoolmaster who, in the fullness of time, was destined to educate the heathen for Christ, as Moses did the Jews.
The celebrated passage: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word Was God” is a fragment of some Pagan treatise on the Platonic philosophy, evidently written by Irenaeus. It is quoted by Amelius, a Pagan philosopher as strictly applicable to the Logos, or Mercury, the Word, apparently as an honorable testimony borne to the Pagan deity by a barbarian…We see then that the title “Word” or “Logos,” being applied to Jesus, is another piece of Pagan amalgamation with Christianity. It did not receive its authorized Christian form until the middle of the second century after Christ.

The ancient pagan Romans worshipped a Trinity. An oracle is said to have declared that there was ‘First God, then the Word, and with them the Spirit’. Here we see the distinctly enumerated, God, the Logos, and the Holy Spirit or Holy Ghost, in ancient Rome, where the most celebrated temple of this capital – that of Jupiter Capitolinus – was dedicated to three deities, which three deities were honored with joint worship.”

Religion today is in the same predicament that the Catholic Church was in; in the 13th and 14th. Centuries. Science just keeps on proving the premises of the church and Bible wrong; leaders keep denying it, and cajoling the congregation to stay, against all logic and reason. Thank goodness they are no longer allowed to kill for disbelieve or heresy.

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9 Responses to Random Musings on Religion and Theology

  1. Justin says:

    In regards to Judges 1:19, it says in Wesley’s notes “Because of their unbelief, whereby they distrusted God’s power to destroy those who had chariots of iron, and so gave way to their own fear and sloth, whereby God was provoked to withdraw his helping hand.”

  2. thewordofme says:

    I see that..This is also a note in the Catholic apologetics.

    Can you imagine an army with God literally on their side
    being afraid of anyone? Do you think it’s possible that there was no God on their side…that they made it up?

    And where does it say in Scripture that they didn’t trust God?

    What is it with God in the OT; Sure is bloodthirsty isn’t he? He is on the ‘side’ of so many killers.

    Millions are killed in ‘his name.’

    Think of all those babies being sliced through with swords and bashed against walls. Think of the innocents who knew nothing of what was happening.

    Anyone that kills babies “in the name of God” surely is not on the side of a God that is worthy of worship.

  3. Justin says:

    The God of the New Testament is the same as the God of the Old Testament. The Bible says that He never changes. He is just as merciful in the Old Testament as He is in the New Testament. Read Nehemiah 9 for a summary of how God mercifully forgave Israel, again and again, after they repeatedly sinned and turned their back on Him. The psalms often speak of God’s mercy poured out on sinners.

    He is also just as wrath-filled in the New Testament as He is in the Old. He killed a husband and wife in the Book of Acts, simply because they told one lie. Jesus warned that He was to be feared because He has the power to cast the body and soul into hell. The apostle Paul said that he persuaded men to come to the Savior because he knew the “terror of the Lord.” Read the dreadful judgments of the New Testament’s Book of Revelation. That will put the “fear of God” in you, which incidentally is “the beginning of wisdom.”

    Perhaps the most fearful display of His wrath is seen in the cross of Jesus Christ. His fury so came upon the Messiah that it seems God enshrouded the face of Jesus in darkness so that creation couldn’t gaze upon His unspeakable agony. Whether we like it or not, our God is a consuming fire of holiness (Hebrews 12:29). He isn’t going to change, so we had better …before the Day of Judgment. If we repent, God, in His mercy, will forgive us and grant us eternal life in heaven with Him.
    (From Questions and Answers – Living Waters)

  4. thewordofme says:

    You write:
    “Whether we like it or not, our God is a consuming fire of holiness (Hebrews 12:29). He isn’t going to change, so we had better …before the Day of Judgment. If we repent, God, in His mercy, will forgive us and grant us eternal life in heaven with Him.”

    I’m sorry my friend, but I would never accept a God like that. If that consigns me to eternal hellfire; so be it.

    “We often refuse to accept an idea merely because the tone of voice in which it has been expressed is unsympathetic to us.” -Nietzsche

    A God that makes a mistake in our creation, and them blames us for it, I suspect, is not a competent God.

    How many do you think will make it to ‘heaven”?

    What about Psalms 39:29? “The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it”. NASB

  5. Justin says:

    Dear thewordofme,
    You said “I’m sorry my friend, but I would never accept a God like that. If that consigns me to eternal hellfire; so be it.” I urge you to reconsider.

    Perhaps you would say “My God would never create hell.”

    Those who say that are right: their “god” would never create hell, because he couldn’t. He doesn’t exist. He is a figment of their imagination, a god they have created to suit themselves. It’s called “idolatry,” and it’s the oldest sin in the Book. Idolaters will not inherit the kingdom of God. The one true God, however, could and did create hell for those who reject His mercy. They will reap His just wrath.
    (From Questions and Objections – Living Waters)

  6. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin, Sorry for taking so long to reply…I had some stuff that took me away.

    Regarding: “my god would never create hell” No, what I am trying to say is; There is no god who would be so childish as to create this melodrama that the churches try to foist off on humans. Actually, I think men made up the melodrama.

    I worship no idols, golden statues, or such nonsense. I worship nothing, no spirit, or person, or electronic devices, or ANYTHING. So, I am not by any stretch, an idolater.

    Do you have any solid proof that some spirit created woman/man two million years or so ago? I haven’t checked lately…Do Baptist believe in a young or old earth?

    Do you have anything except for passed on thoughts of your sects founder, or quotes from the Bible? Do you believe in literal interpretation?

    I’m going to take a leap here and say: No,…thats all you have.

    Man, you need to get over that humanity eating, hellfire and brimstone theology. It’s not good for the constitution. 🙂 Yea, I know it’s what you’re taught from childhood.

  7. Justin says:

    You do not need the Bible for the basic framework of theology. We look around at creation and know instinctively that there is a Creator. We look at our conscience and know instinctively that we havee broken the Creator’s moral standard. We seek mercy, but God provide’s Grace through Jesus Christ. If we turn from sin and recognize Christ as Lord and Savior we will be saved. If you read the Bible at that point, you will realize what happened to you. You were born again. The old has passed away. Because of your mindset, the Bible cannot be seen as compatible with science or even itself. It is when you give up your control and hand it over to Christ that you see the Bible wonderfully comes together perfectly.

  8. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin, Good to hear from you.

    I look around the earth I have seen and I see beauty and ugliness. More beauty though. I don’t have a sense that there was a creator..to me it all seems a natural process…perhaps a spirit being started it in motion…but, I think way more than 6000 years ago, and he or she, didn’t stick around

    There has never been any provable contact with a God, just old stories. Amazingly most religions started in a relatively short span of time. Long after mankind was using fire, tools, the wheel, jewelry, building pyramids,Stonehenge’s, recording the movement of planets, any number of weapons, traveling over vast continents, and spanning oceans…The list goes on and on.

    The Jews in the middle east in historic times had no vision…Their world was limited by the blinders of religion. Their vision was limited to mountains surrounding them. Meanwhile real people were out there exploring the world, and colonizing.

    When the Roman Empire accepted Christianity, nay–pushed it on everyone,it shortly failed and we entered the dark ages of theocracy. A very large section of civilization fell on very hard times.

    I find it pretty hard to turn over the responsibility for my life to a myth. I respect and treat others with kindness and expect the same too me, but I am often saddened.

    Why would otherwise intelligent people put their “real life” on hold to MAYBE be raised from the dead? Sounds like counting on magic to me. 🙂

  9. Justin says:

    Creation proves a creator. Do you know a watch without a watchmaker? See http://kids4truth.com/watchmaker/watch.html

    Look into your conscience. If you think I am counting on magic, let me do a little trick. Without knowing you personally, I predict you have broken the 10 Commandments and are a sinner like me. Romans 3:23 tells me that all have sinned and fallen short of God’s glory. Have you ever told a lie? Then you are a liar like me. Stolen, even something small? Then you are a thief like me. Ever looked with lust, which Jesus said is adultery at heart? These are only three of the commandments, and I’d bet you are guilty like I was. Jesus came into the courtroom to pay the fine on the cross. It was a gift. Please accept it.

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