Ben Stein did What?

Thinking about seeing the *movie* Expelled, No intelligence Allowed? You might want to go to this blog: Here It brings together reviews from all over the country.

People that support ID, evangelicals, and fundamentalist will flock to it I’m sure. Those people that wonder about the whole religious world and their flawed view of the universe will probably not want to support it by buying tickets to it.

I just can’t see Ben Stein believing in the crap he’s pushing. I’m thinking he got carried away in his thinking about possible profit. The linking of Darwin and Nazi’s is insanity of the first order. It is thinking that is just as crazy as Hitler’s was.

Hitler and the Catholic Church and the Pope were in bed together. That link is well established, so I would guess…religion and Nazi’s were much closer, and deserve more scrutiny. Did the Catholic Church ever apologize for their helping the Reich?

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16 Responses to Ben Stein did What?

  1. Stein is a ID stooge, an actor working for the dollar. He in a well-known Atheist and could care less about middle-America’s adherence to their God myth. I think it is funny that he can pull the wool over the fundie’s eyes. What a joke.

  2. thewordofme says:

    johnnypeepers,

    I think I agree with that. Nice to hear from you again.

  3. Just to be clear, you are formulating a strong opinion about a film you have not yet seen?

    Why do you think when Pope Pius XII died at the United Nations, Israel’s Minister of Foreign Affairs, Mrs. Golda Meir, said:

    “We share the grief of the world over the death of His Holiness Pius XII. During a generation of wars and dissensions, he affirmed the high ideals of peace and compassion. During the ten years of Nazi terror, when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their victims. The life of our time has been enriched by a voice which expressed the great moral truths above the tumults of daily conflicts. We grieve over the loss of a great defender of peace.

    If the Catholic Church did as you said… well why would Meir say these things?

  4. Kimberly says:

    Thought you might appreciate a few quotes from Adolph Hitler on the subject of Christianity:

    Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:

    National Socialism and religion cannot exist together…. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity…. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

    10th October, 1941, midday:

    Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)

    14th October, 1941, midday:

    The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death…. When understanding of the universe has become widespread… Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity…. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity…. And that’s why someday its structure will collapse…. …the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little…. Christianity [is] the liar…. We’ll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)

    The bigoted assertion that Catholicism and Nazism are “in bed together” is not born of fact, but rather unintelligent gossip.

  5. Space says:

    What about all the good things Hitler did though?

  6. thewordofme says:

    Space, And what might that be?

  7. thewordofme says:

    Hi Kimberly, thank you for writing.

    Hitler justified his fight against Jews by using Godly and Biblical reasoning. one of his most revealing statements makes this quite clear

    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf) Volume 1, Chapter 2, Years of Study and Suffering in Vienna

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.
    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

    You Write:>>>The bigoted assertion that Catholicism and Nazism are “in bed together” is not born of fact, but rather unintelligent gossip.<<<

    I beg to differ with you…the connection is well documented.
    Hitler was born in to a Catholic family and went to Catholic school and there was complicity. Not gossip but fact.

    More to come

  8. “Hitler was born in to a Catholic family and went to Catholic school and there was complicity.”

    Hitler attended several schools as his family moved around often – most of his schooling was actually at public secular schools…

    But it is a huge stretch to say that attending Catholic School demonstrates later behavior is Catholic influenced.

  9. patrick says:

    just saw Expelled, Ben Stein’s goal in making Expelled (i gather) is to promote free thought, especially more thinking about motivations that drive American academia and a lot of other behind-the-scenes worldview that we tend to take for granted.

  10. thewordofme says:

    Hi Kimberly,
    Thank you very much for your responses to the blog.
    Regarding Hitler and his complicity (or vice-versa) with the Catholic Church, you can go to this site and read the whole Concordance that they agreed upon.
    http://www.concordatwatch.eu/showkb.php?org_id=858&kb_header_id=752&order=kb_rank%20ASC&kb_id=1211
    I know there are good people in the Catholic Church, but leadership has down through the ages has been very ‘iffy’ and at times—Evil.

  11. thewordofme says:

    Hi asimplesinner, Thanks for your comments.

    You write to me:>> Just to be clear, you are formulating a strong opinion about a film you have not yet seen?<<<

    The purpose of my blog post was to direct people to newspaper and media movie reviews from around the country. These reviews were from their regular columnists and not biased by anyone that I am aware of.

    The overwhelming response of the reviewers across the country was negative. One thing that was constantly mentioned by the reviews is that the movie kept trying to relate Nazi’s to Darwin’s theory of evolution. Which, by the way is ridicules.

    The Intelligent Design (religious creationists) people who wholeheartedly support this movie will try anything to advance their agenda on an unsuspecting public…including, but not limited, to lying. The lying part has been proven, see: Dover vs. Kitzmiller on the search engines.

    I was simply trying to point out that Hitler’s motivation actually had more in common with Catholicity than Darwinism. There is tremendous amounts of evidence out there that Hitler and the Catholics (Pope) were in ‘bed together’ on a number of horrendous episodes. There is no evidence that he (Hitler) was an evolutionist. My reply to Kimberly above also has a link to info about the agreement that Hitler and the Catholics came to.

    I can easily ‘put down’ a movie I haven’t personally seen by simply reading or listening to the reviews and understanding that the ID people are trying another end-run around people’s intelligence.

    Go here for some back-story about Hitler:

    http://nobeliefs.com/ChurchesWWII.htm#anchor2a

    Much more information on Hitler can be had by taking the time to ‘Google’ his history.

    Although Darwin later lost his religiosity, he was a firm believing Christian when he started his studies. At least that’s what all the biographers write.

  12. thewordofme says:

    Patrick, thanks for writing.

    The movie ‘Expelled’ is just creationist propaganda. If you believe it you have to check your intelligence at the door before entering.

  13. ” was simply trying to point out that Hitler’s motivation actually had more in common with Catholicity than Darwinism.”

    But you have not yet done that… and you would have saved us all some headache if you would have gone so far as to say that was your thesis to begin with.

    The position we are now in is that of a false dichotomy – either he has more in common with Catholics (a hard pill to swallow – where did we call for death camps and invasions of nations resulting in the deaths of 30,000,000+ humans???????) or he was somehow Darwinian?

    The idea that Hitler and the Catholic Church (as though we were a singular unit) were “in bed together” (what does that mean?) is something I would like to see you demonstrate beyond citing propoganda of the sort that you claim this move you have not seen (and I have not either) is.

  14. thewordofme says:

    Have you checked out the website mentioned in my reply to Kimberly. It is the whole Concordance. And, it is historical fact.

    I’m sorry I wasn’t clearer. It seemed perfectly clear to me. Hitler was not a Darwinist. He was a Catholic and religionist…at least in the beginning and he did enter into a agreement with the Catholic Papacy which had the effect of legitimizing the Reich in many Christian eyes.

    If you take the time to read the Concordance you will see how it would affect the war. and contribute to the millions of deaths

    The people that backed and made the movie Expelled are
    the ones pushing a false view of history…not me.

    Are you seriously asking what the phrase ‘in bed together’ means?

    Of course the bulk of Catholics did not call for death camps for Jews, Mentally retarded, Jehovah’s witnesses, and in general anyone who did not support them. Popes however are a different matter.

    ANY large organization publicly endorsing the evident madness that was Hitler and The Third Reich, and by extension, their avowed wish to exterminate a whole race of peoples is seriously criminal. The fact that is was the largest, most respected, and oldest religious group in the world lent serious cachet to that endorsement.

    I read the reviews…those critics saw it and reported what is was about…the fact that they independently came to the same conclusions is enough for me.

    Hey, the Catholic Church condemned Mel Gibson’s movie about Jesus without seeing it…I figure I’m in good company.

  15. “Are you seriously asking what the phrase ‘in bed together’ means?”

    Don’t mock me.

    “Hey, the Catholic Church condemned Mel Gibson’s movie about Jesus without seeing it…I figure I’m in good company”

    I know people take any off-the-cuff comment of any church leader as “What the Catholic Church says” but there is in fact, no Vatican movie review office.

    As to your link – I would suggest perhaps considering taking a look at a better informed and less slanted source. The whole “nobeliefs.com” was a bit of a warning signal but the following inaccurate and misleading quote had sealed the deal for me:

    “Note that the Catholic hierarchy believes in the infallibility of Popes in matters of faith and morals (ever since the First Vatican Council of 1870). This Concordat with its Papal infallible authority had arguably neutralized the potential of 23 million Catholics to protest and resist and which helped Hitler into legal dictatorship.’

    This quote shows an author who does not understand infailability… (Something you can understand without believing.)

    “By this time Pacelli could call on the loyalty and devotion of a half-billion people, of which half the populations of Hitler’s new Reich had become Catholics, including a quarter of the SS. At this time bishops, clergy, religious, and faithful had bound themselves to the Pope, and by his own self estimation, served as the supreme arbiter of moral values on earth.”

    This seems to suggest that there was some sweeping movement to join the Catholic Church or that the Catholic Church was in turn supportive of efforts to invade the neighboring Catholic majority nations… The concordot itself – which is referenced but little described – If you want to read the actual concordot the text in Englisch can be found here:

    http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_ss33co.htm

    Read it closesly and see it for what it was – an agreement to protect the rights of Catholics to exist and practice their religion freely. Coming 6 decades after the kulturekampf in Bismark’s united Germany it makes sense – (cf http://members.aol.com/megxyz/heather.html) – German Catholic bishops had been imprisoned through the 1870s by German nationalists of the Protestant North who were resentful and annoyed that Catholics would have allegiances to an ecclesial authority that was outside of Germany. Official efforts were made to ban, persecute and undermine the practice of the Catholic faith in favor of the Evangelishekirchen (Lutheran Churches) which existed wholly within the German state looking to no outward sources for governance.

    The concordot was a securing of rights for Catholics, not some sort of “Nazi endoresement” as this article you present wants to suggest. Again, don’t take my word for it or his – read the actual agreement.

  16. Robaigh says:

    And Stalin was an atheist. Shall we paint atheists with a broad brush based on this fact? I choose not to.

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