God…Bad Jesus…Good
July 24, 2008 15 Comments
God has a hissy fit. He still hasn’t learned to stay out of Hebrew affairs
Leviticus 26:27-34
” ‘If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over. You will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters. I will destroy your high places, cut down your incense altars and pile your dead bodies on the lifeless forms of your idols, and I will abhor you. I will turn your cities into ruins and lay waste your sanctuaries, and I will take no delight in the pleasing aroma of your offerings. I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled. I will scatter you among the nations and will draw out my sword and pursue you. Your land will be laid waste, and your cities will lie in ruins.”
1 Chronicles 21:14
“So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men.” These were innocents by the way.
Somehow I’m missing the love here.
Hosea 13:16
“The people of Samaria must bear the consequences of their guilt because they rebelled against their God. They will be killed by an invading army, their little ones dashed to death against the ground, their pregnant women ripped open by swords.” I think I’m going to be sick here. Are we seeing the love yet?
These, of course, are just a few of the scriptures that illustrate the love that courses throughout the OT part of the Bible. How people can read past these things and not be suspicious of the supposed God behind them is beyond me.
Is it any wonder that Paul, in his New Testament takeover, quickly steers the focus of the faithful away from this Old Testament Ogre, and into the different world vision of his supposed encounter with Jesus on the road (in a beam of light) to Damascus. Using the established OT world vision that many/most people of that culture were acquainted with, and building a new mythology, a new religion based on a kinder, gentler God image. Jesus…a God of Love…yea, that’s the ticket. Well, he didn’t really work out Jesus being God…that had to wait until the Catholics got into power. The early theology was a little rough and had to be tweaked a bit to make it more believable
I think Paul was looking around at all the religious fervor going on in his time, and got to thinking that if he could somehow meld the established OT religion (which Jesus was espousing) into the new mold of a milder spiritual personality that didn’t go around killing, raping, and torturing …he just might achieve lifetime employment for himself. The apostles didn’t seem to be doing much with their inheritance, why not fudge a little and scoop up this opportunity and run with it.
The concept of ‘original sin’ was pure genius on his part. Oh, the possibilities of this for sermons, placing guilt on the masses, and solidifying his place in history. A new concept that heretofore was not even thought of or mentioned in OT writings, or by Jesus, and he was able…by himself… to get it accepted by the theologians and common folk. What a guy.
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(Psa 91:1 KJV) He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
(Psa 91:2 KJV) I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
(Psa 91:3 KJV) Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
(Psa 91:4 KJV) He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
(Psa 91:5 KJV) Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
(Psa 91:6 KJV) Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
(Psa 91:7 KJV) A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
(Psa 91:8 KJV) Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
(Psa 91:9 KJV) Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
(Psa 91:10 KJV) There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
(Psa 91:11 KJV) For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.
(Psa 91:12 KJV) They shall bear thee up in their hands, lest thou dash thy foot against a stone.
(Psa 91:13 KJV) Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.
(Psa 91:14 KJV) Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.
(Psa 91:15 KJV) He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.
(Psa 91:16 KJV) With long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation.
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Whats your point here guy…or gal?
I prefer to Dwell on God’s goodness too
Could you explain a little more?
We can continue to concentrate on evil or we can dwell on Pslam 91 and let now God take care of the evil..
>>I think Paul was looking around at all the religious fervor going on in his time, and got to thinking that if he could somehow meld the established OT religion (which Jesus was espousing) into the new mold of a milder spiritual personality that didn’t go around killing, raping, and torturing …he just might achieve lifetime employment for himself. The apostles didn’t seem to be doing much with their inheritance, why not fudge a little and scoop up this opportunity and run with it. The concept of ‘original sin’ was pure genius on his part. Oh, the possibilities of this for sermons, placing guilt on the masses, and solidifying his place in history. A new concept that heretofore was not even thought of or mentioned in OT writings, or by Jesus, and he was able…by himself… to get it accepted by the theologians and common folk. What a guy.
Now you saw Paul as the author.. you had even here missed the point.. God is the author still too not Paul.. if you do not know that you do ntot know God.. so dwell on him God firstly..
Greetings,
If one is trying to read and understand the Bible like any other ordinary book, well thats your first problem.
Because the inspired writings are the Creator’s Word,
it must be understood in a totally differnt realm. We’re talking spiritual, not earthly.
Natural man cannot understand His Word, for the simple reasons you have demostrated on your site.
You said quite a bit so I will only touch on a bit part.
First, God is not the creator’s name, its His title. His name Im sure your aware of is in the Hebrew tongue:
Yahweh. Even though there are many names most of them are discriptive only… etc….Lord, Master, Rabbi.
Anyone who obeys His Words and lives accordingly is considered His child. Just as Adam and Eve were, so are we. Because they sinned in the Garden didnt take away who they were. The Creator’s justice is not like our earthly justice. He disciplined them , and threw them out of the garden, He still loved them. This is more of personal opinion and not totally biblical as modern theologians would see it.
Obedience brings reward; rebellion brings harsh judgement. Just as we are disciplined and imprisoned for commiting acts against earthly law, so does the Creator do the same with a loving correction in mind to draw us closer to Him and not further away.
That is the difference between God’s love and justice, and our present day governmental system.
As for the OT not mentioning Jesus Im pretty sure you are aware of this too, but trying to get a response in order to reply. The prophet Isaiah speaks of this in more than one chapter. Try ch. 53-58 (sub titles: the Suffering Servant; Emmanuel).
In closing, I leave you with a thought to ponder: Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes unto the Father but by me.” Jn. 14:6
Hi Rev Kelly, welcome back.
You write to me:
” If one is trying to read and understand the Bible like any other ordinary book, well thats your first problem. Because the inspired writings are the Creator’s Word, it must be understood in a totally differnt realm. We’re talking spiritual, not earthly. Natural man cannot understand His Word, for the simple reasons you have demostrated on your site.”
Well that’s one of the things I have written about. The Scripture is so obviously written by men…and not inspired of or copied from a god. It is purely the work of man. There are way too many mistakes for it to considered the work of a god. If you consider how the writers have God interfering in the lives of the Hebrews, like an old hen guarding chicks, you understand the silliness of it all. God is pictured as exceedingly vicious, cold-hearted, and genocidal. These are not ‘Godly’ qualities in my estimation. This god of the Hebrews was exactly the same as all other ‘gods’ that man invented…myth.
You write:
”First, God is not the creator’s name, its His title. His name Im sure your aware of is in the Hebrew tongue:
Yahweh. Even though there are many names most of them are discriptive only… etc….Lord, Master, Rabbi.”
I refer you to these sites to find the name of god:
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=220 Bible.org list of the names of God
http://www.blueletterbible.org/study/misc/name_god.html Another list of the names of God.
You see that is one of the big problems of Christianity…they can’t even agree on the name of the one they worship, let alone how to worship him, and which parts of the Bible to believe in, and which parts to ignore. It’s a sad state of affairs when religious arguments still cause fights, torture, murder, etc. after more than 2000 years. I can talk to people of knowledge from 10 different sects and be given 10 different ways to worship and 10 different theologies or interpretations of Scripture…Why is that? Do you think this is a sign of it’s falseness?
You write:
”Anyone who obeys His Words and lives accordingly is considered His child. Just as Adam and Eve were, so are we. Because they sinned in the Garden didnt take away who they were. The Creator’s justice is not like our earthly justice. He disciplined them , and threw them out of the garden, He still loved them. This is more of personal opinion and not totally biblical as modern theologians would see it.”
There is no evidence at all that humankind descended from two people in the Middle Eastern area. All the DNA and archaeological evidence points to Africa and about 200,000 years ago for modern humans. You can protest, and not believe all you want, and it won’t change the facts.
All the Biblical malarkey about humans having their start 6000 years ago is so totally wrong…I suggest you look at some real science.
You write:
”Obedience brings reward; rebellion brings harsh judgement. Just as we are disciplined and imprisoned for commiting acts against earthly law, so does the Creator do the same with a loving correction in mind to draw us closer to Him and not further away.
That is the difference between God’s love and justice, and our present day governmental system.”
All correcting I have read about in the Bible, when referencing God, is homicidal and genocidal.
Is/was Jesus even real, do you believe Paul when he says we inherit sin from Adam, do you think we should go around all the time praising the Lord, do you really think a real god would even want the kind of shinola that Christians attribute to his expectation from us?
I’ll leave you with this thought:
“Those who seek consolation in existing churches often pay for their peace of mind with a tacit agreement to ignore a great deal of what is known about the way the world works.” Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi
twom
>>“Those who seek consolation in existing churches often pay for their peace of mind with a tacit agreement to ignore a great deal of what is known about the way the world works.”
Sounds like you have a closed mind..
It also now seems that unresolved problems tend to make us seek God. How to draw closer to God. You have wanted God to speak to you for a long time. You have wanted to talk to God and get answers back. This is an opportunity for you to have a dialogue with God. God too wants to communicate with you. You might have been in church, a crusade, in your room, or outside under the stars. You felt God’s call, but you didn’t know exactly what God wanted you to do. You knew you were going to do something special, but you didn’t know what it was. Now you can also find out God’s plan for you, and others too and the literature is all free too. It teaches you how to hear God’s voice. God will teach you many things you need to know. Valid spiritual tools to help you make conscious contact with God: Praise, Prayer, Humbleness, Obedience, the Bible. Get yourself ready where God speaks to you Do see http://pbulow.tripod.com/wait.html and http://pbulow.tripod.com/voice.html
Hi nonconformer, thanks for writing.
You write:
”Now you saw Paul as the author.. you had even here missed the point.. God is the author still too not Paul.. if you do not know that you do ntot know God.. so dwell on him God firstly..”
I think Paul is the writer here…he is making up the theology as he goes. He takes nothing but a claimed vision from Jesus and makes up new dogma. No prior scriptural evidence of anything to relate to what he writes. Like I said, the man was a genius. He set up Christianity to be self replicating…new births were automatically sinners and needed the church to intervene on their behalf. The God of the Old Testament never hinted at such a thing, Jesus never hinted at it…it was all Paul. 🙂
Thanks for your thoughts. twom
Hi again nonconformer, thanks for writing.
You write:
” Sounds like you have a closed mind..”
I have an open mind for new and real information. I have a closed mind when people just randomly quote verses from the Bible…believe me I have heard them all…ad infinitum. They do absolutely nothing to make anyone change their mind.
You write:
”It also now seems that unresolved problems tend to make us seek God. How to draw closer to God. You have wanted God to speak to you for a long time. You have wanted to talk to God and get answers back.”
Huh?
You write:
”This is an opportunity for you to have a dialogue with God. God too wants to communicate with you. You might have been in church, a crusade, in your room, or outside under the stars. You felt God’s call, but you didn’t know exactly what God wanted you to do.”
Double Huh?
You write:
”You knew you were going to do something special, but you didn’t know what it was. Now you can also find out God’s plan for you, and others too and the literature is all free too. It teaches you how to hear God’s voice. God will teach you many things you need to know. Valid spiritual tools to help you make conscious contact with God: Praise, Prayer, Humbleness, Obedience, the Bible. Get yourself ready where God speaks to you.”
I think you have been proselytizing too much. Give it up and talk to me like a human. twom
all you want to hear is empty words.. I got better things to do..
Good luck to you nonconformer.
… what people need firstly is getting the book of acts Pentecostal experiences.. and they will naturally next care for the poor people, act like real anointed Christians. http://groups.msn.com/HolySpiritCome
…Many Christians are doing their own thing, trying to live a life without Jesus, without even taking to him now often too.. Jesus himself hath said without me you can do nothing.. nothing!!!
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Hi thenonconformer
Yes, people do need to be more caring and helpful to their fellow humans. However they need to do it without spreading their impious and bloodthirsty religious beliefs.
The greatest religious war of all time is going on now and it is terrible that all those people are suffering and dying because of religious fanaticism.
Living without a Jesus or Mohammad or God or Allah would probably be a good thing for this earth and humanity. Living with them for a few thousand years surely hasn’t improved us very much. We still hate those that do not believe in ‘our’ God. We still denigrate anyone who disagrees with our way of worshiping ‘The One True God’.