Free Will and Morality Debate
March 12, 2009 5 Comments
Sorry folks, my reply panel is not working correctly and I’m having to bring this debate to the front page. For those of you who would like to follow along we are coming from the post entitled “Christianity Kills” further down on this page.
Hi QBOA thanks for your reply.
>>”The problem or issue iwth science is that it makes bad philosophers. Science studies efficient cause in an organized way. Final cause (the why of things) is excluded.”<<
Well, philosophers study such things as existence, truth, knowledge, justice, mind, language, and validity using reasoned argument. I would argue that science is looking for the same things. They wrestle with the problem of existence by looking at our human beginnings, they are constantly looking for truth and knowledge and the science of language looks for any knowledge pertaining to its beginnings. Just looking for and describing what and how things happen usually gives us a why. There is no need for any other kind of ‘why’
>>”How is it possible to descern good or evil in people then based on your experience? The problem with science is the belief that everything can be known in the causal system of the processes of nature; there are no nonphysical elements.”<<
Humans have the ability to discern good from evil…well, except for mentally disturbed people. We also seem to have a built in sense of morality despite many religious people thinking we do not. The “Golden Rule” seems to have evolved in most societies quite independent from each other and independent from religion. Confucius wrote of it about 500 years before Christ.
>>”To extend this false assumption(which it is, becuase there is no science to back such a thing up) one has to draw the logical conclusions from it. Free will is an illusion, then morality is also an illusion, because it is concerned only with free choices; an act is not immoral if it couldn’t have been otherwise. Indeed science is an illusion because everything in domain of space-time concepts is based on laws of science. My body is simply an assembly of carbon, H2O and some other elements with chemical reactions. And they will be reprocessed after I die.”<<
Church theosophers have been arguing free will and morality and such for over 2000 years. The Bible hints that we do, and do not, have free will. Which side is right? I don’t care because I can live my life, and make moral choices all on my own, and be perfectly happy and well adjusted without any feedback from religion. I think that today’s society lays out morality for the common person in the laws that we now have. In early times there was no body of laws laid out and followed that protected us from evil people. The Hebrews were just early on trying to protect the commoner. As for your body elements and chemicals, yes you are right, of course, that’s exactly what happens.