God and Christianity and Us Poor Humans

I’ve recently been in a discussion with a person about Satan and why he would even bother anymore since his fate is already sealed. We and Satan already know he loses the battle with God, and…all the people who follow Christianity know it.  The story has been outlined for us by the Church; we know Armageddon will be coming, the Four Horsemen, the Anti-Christ, and whatever else John writes in Revelation.

This God of Christianity is going to allow this melodrama to proceed to the point of human annihilation on this planet, and somehow God calls this victory.  ALL the various Christian denominations believe they alone will survive and live forever…either in Heaven or in a  Earthly Paradise, looked over by God–in person.  All this Armageddon and stuff is caused by a Devil (or is it the original plan of God when He started all this crappy melodrama?), who knows he will lose the fight; does this make even the slightest bit of sense?

I like the following part of an essay that I have already posted earlier on my blog…it speaks to the problem with Devils and any other spirits called up by religion.

“For many centuries the church filled the world with devils — with malicious spirits that caused storm and tempest, disease, accident and death — that filled the night with visions of despair; with prophecies that drove the dreamers mad. These devils assumed a thousand forms — countless disguises in their efforts to capture souls and destroy the church. They deceived sometimes the wisest and the best, made priests forget their vows. They melted virtue’s snow in passion’s fire, and in cunning ways entrapped and smirched the innocent and good. These devils gave witches and wizards their supernatural powers, and told them the secrets of the future.

Millions of men and women were destroyed because they had sold themselves to the Devil.

No man has genius enough to describe the agonies that have been inflicted on innocent men and women because of this absurd belief. How it darkened the mind, hardened the heart, and poisoned life! It made the Universe a madhouse presided over by an insane God.

Think! Why would a merciful God allow his children to be the victims of devils? Why would a decent God allow his worshipers to believe in devils, and by reason of that belief to persecute torture and burn their fellow-men?”  Robert Ingersall

Does this man above speak the truth?  Did the churches do these terrible crimes?  Yes they did…its known written history.  And then later on in the American colonies the Puritans repeated the deadly serious criminal act of burning and hanging “witches” and railing against demons.  I think this is a serious mistake that a real “God driven” religion would not make.

Or would you think that there was real demons and evil spirits and Satan himself doing these things?  If not, how would you reconcile the churches doing these things in the name of God?  Do many Christians you know believe in Satan and think he sends his minions to do bad stuff in the world…like he was supposed to have done in the Dark Ages and in the Puritan states of America’s past?

Think about this; The Catholic Church (who was the victor in the God Wars way back then) was the keeper of the scriptures and writings of all of early Christianity. They molded the church (and Scripture), in the way they wanted. They alone keep the religious fires burning in the beginning years.  They promulgated the evil words that started the above scenarios. They started the whole mess.

The Protestant Reformation or Revolution started by Luther started out with the best intentions, but they made at least one mistake…they used the same book, and that book is terribly, terribly wrong about so many things

“This fact is forgotten by Protestants. They read blood-curdling stories of the Inquisition and of atrocities committed by Catholics, but what does the average Protestant know of Protestant atrocities in the centuries succeeding the Reformation? Nothing, unless he makes a special study of the subject . . . Yet they are perfectly well known to every scholar . . . If I do not enumerate here the persecutions carried on by Catholics in the past, it is because it is not necessary in this book to do so. This volume is addressed especially to Protestants, and Catholic persecutions are to them sufficiently well known . . .

…What makes, however, Protestant persecutions especially revolting is the fact that they were absolutely inconsistent with the primary doctrine of Protestantism — the right of private judgment in matters of religious belief! Nothing can be more illogical than at one moment to assert that one may interpret the Bible to suit himself, and at the next to torture and kill him for having done so!”  The Double Standard of Protestant “Inquisition Polemics” by John Stoddard

So why do you think religion is any different today?  We no longer believe in witches and demons…at least most of humanity does not, but there are still many inconsistencies in how Christians practice their faith and most of them pick and choose their theology to suit their life and how they want to live it.

I think that a religion based on a real God who is able to interact with us would be unquestionably believed by all people, there would be unanimity in all matters of belief and understanding in His message. There would have been no need or reason for all the unbelievable terror and evil carried out in His name, no evil men sentencing people to death in His name, no churches growing fat off the dissemination of the “Holy Word”.  No people using His church and His religion to sodomize helpless children or prey on the weak and vulnerable, to steal others wealth and in general keep people under the yoke and in their control.  And there would be NO need for devils, demons and such.

The common apologetic for these problems mentioned is that it is evil men who have done this; God and The Church are blameless in this matter. Really!!–not much of a God to allow so much crime in His house.

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10 Responses to God and Christianity and Us Poor Humans

  1. Colin says:

    It’s all about free will and submission mate. God has offered a solution to our pride, hatred, selfishness and arrogance but do we choose that path? And he will end it all. Just because you all Jesus Lord doesn’t mean you will find peace instead of eternal torment. So I guess (but I am not God so don’t decide) most of the people you rail against won’t make it. God isn’t stupid nor naive. Pride will stop many others as they refuse to accept a supreme being calling the shots. What IS your explanation for evil deeds by non-religious people?

  2. I wont pretend to be Christian myself, but I don’t consider myself a bigot against religion either…. uh… I mean, “atheist”.

    If youre going to criticize religion, at least read it and understand it first. You might learn to embrace it – who knows? But you are in no position to argue against it, that is for sure, if you wont even educate yourself on the finer points. Why do you think I call atheism bigotry?

    Only a bigot would know jack nothing about a subject but have an opinion nonetheless… nay, I mean only a bigot would be so bold as to publicly argue their position and publicize their views, unsubstantiated. Only one of that nature would contradict their own atheistic standards of reason, empiricism and the like with dogmatic refutations.

    In the Western society, atheists claim to be unbiased… and yet Christianity is the only one that is ever explicitly attacked. Why is that? Because its the only one that has a persistent impact on our society, that is why. Atheists fight it for spite, not truth.

  3. thewordofme says:

    Hi Colin, thanks for writing.

    I do have the pride, but not the hatred, selfishness, and arrogance. The point of my post was that the whole story is already written and Satan knows the ending. Why on earth would he keep fighting against a known defeat, a defeat that was written 2,000 years ago? The story therefore makes no sense.

    You ask:
    “What IS your explanation for evil deeds by non-religious people?”

    Probably that they are sociopaths, but a survey of prisons has found that at least 85% of the inmates claim to be Christian…wouldn’t that mean that mostly Christians are committing the evil deeds and crimes? Also look at the Muslim leaders in the Middle East; they pray to the same God as we do, and yet they are forcing children to be suicide bombers.

  4. thewordofme says:

    Hi CogitoErgoCogitoSum, thanks for your reply.

    You write:
    “I wont pretend to be Christian myself, but I don’t consider myself a bigot against religion either…. uh… I mean, “atheist”.

    I would guess from what you wrote in the rest of your reply that you really are a Christian proselytizer.

    You write:
    “If youre going to criticize religion, at least read it and understand it first. You might learn to embrace it – who knows? But you are in no position to argue against it, that is for sure, if you wont even educate yourself on the finer points. Why do you think I call atheism bigotry?”

    I think my understanding of religion is pretty good. Hows yours?

    You write:
    “Only a bigot would know jack nothing about a subject but have an opinion nonetheless… nay, I mean only a bigot would be so bold as to publicly argue their position and publicize their views, unsubstantiated. Only one of that nature would contradict their own atheistic standards of reason, empiricism and the like with dogmatic refutations.”

    Your logic here escapes me, and what are you so mad at? Did you read any of my other posts?

    You write:
    “In the Western society, atheists claim to be unbiased… and yet Christianity is the only one that is ever explicitly attacked. Why is that? Because its the only one that has a persistent impact on our society, that is why. Atheists fight it for spite, not truth.”

    Well I don’t know how many atheists you actually know, but all of the ones I know are equal opportunity atheists…they believe ALL religions are bogus…as do I. The reason you see so many going after Christianity is that it is the dominant one where most atheists are writing from.

    I do not write for spite, I write because I see so much lying and misuse of the human spirit in religion. I write because of the falseness I sense there, and I try to warn people of the scam.
    twom

  5. onemansbeliefs says:

    “I’ve recently been in a discussion with a person about Satan and why he would even bother anymore since his fate is already sealed.”

    I will respond by using sports analogies…
    1. The season is not over.
    2. His team is not going to the playoffs and he wishes to keep as many from going as possible.
    3. He is a persistent cuss. (not a sports analogy, but true just the same)

  6. thewordofme says:

    Hi onemansbeliefs, thanks for writing.

    There is not one Christian out there that believes that the great Satan will win the game…its all preordained. When the Catholics put the Bible and associated dogma together around 325-500 AD the game was on and we already knew who would win.

  7. Isaac says:

    In a strange way there is a very good point here. Just take of the the rose colored glasses for a minute and reflect on what is being said. Here you have an Almighty Creator and there is a fight with one of His creatures? Hello! Anybody home? I do not know the Christian doctrine well enough to write about it but if G-d is Who the Judeo-Christian faith says He is then how can there be a fight? There is only One power in the universe. A two power universe is called something else in my books. I think that is something belonging to Zoroastrianism. There is no fight. There is no power besides G-d.

  8. Brad W. says:

    There are no god or gods… there certainly is no evidence for them, and to simply assume them is ignorant. You are simply so bored with your lives you have to live out a fantasy but actually believe it it real. Religion is the Lord of the Rings and Harry Potter, except religion doesn’t admit it is fantasy.

  9. thewordofme says:

    Hi Brad W,

    You are so right of course.

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