Enoch and the Bible

“Jude 14 contains a prophecy of Enoch. Thus, if the Book of Jude is the Word of God, then the writings of “Enoch” from which Jude quotes are also the Word of God. The Book of Enoch was used in the early church until at least the third century – Clement, Irenaeus and Tertullian were familiar with it. However, as church doctrine began to solidify, the Book of Enoch became an embarrassment to the church and in a short period of time it became the Lost Book of Enoch.

A complete manuscript of the Book of Enoch was discovered in Ethiopia in 1768. Since then, portions of at least eight separate copies have been found among the Dead Sea scrolls. It is easy to see why the church had to get rid of Enoch – not only does it contain fantastic imagery (some of which was borrowed by the Book of Revelation), but it also contradicts church doctrine on several points (and, since it is obviously the work of several writers, it also contradicts itself).

Christianity arose in what was preeminently a miracle-working age. Everything was attested by miracles, because nearly everybody believed in miracles and demanded them. Every religious teacher was a worker of miracles; and however trifling the miracle might be when wrought, in this atmosphere of unbounded credulity, the breath of exaggeration soon expanded it into marvelous proportions.

What proved the strength of Christianity in an age of ignorance is proving its weakness in an age of intelligence. Christian scholars themselves, recognizing the indefensibility and absurdity of miracles, endeavor to explain away the difficulties attending their acceptance by affirming that they are not real, but only apparent, violations of Nature’s laws; thus putting the miracles of Christ in the same class with those performed by the jugglers of India and Japan. They resolve the supernatural into the natural, that the incredible may appear credible. With invincible logic and pitiless sarcasm.”  From: The Works of Robert G. Ingersoll

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3 Responses to Enoch and the Bible

  1. “Jude 14 contains a prophecy of Enoch. Thus, if the Book of Jude is the Word of God, then the writings of “Enoch” from which Jude quotes are also the Word of God.”

    post hoc ergo propter hoc- The logic does not follow just because a book is referenced that it is therefore part of the Bible any more then many Protestians attempt to eliminate some book of the Old testament because they aren’t referenced too in the NT.

    “The Book of Enoch was used in the early church until at least the third century – Clement, Irenaeus and Tertullian were familiar with it.”

    The Ethiopic Church used it in its liturgy, but the collective church never did. So the term “used it” is rather misleading at best. Tertullian was a heretic by the way.

    Interesting that people regain their memory when there is money to be made after so many years.

  2. thewordofme says:

    Hi Qboa, I trust you had a nice holiday.

    You write:
    “post hoc ergo propter hoc- The logic does not follow just because a book is referenced that it is therefore part of the Bible any more then many Protestians attempt to eliminate some book of the Old testament because they aren’t referenced too in the NT.

    Sorry I flunked Latin class… 🙂
    I have had people tell me that Jesus mentioned stuff from the OT and that makes the OT true. I would think that someone writing Biblical scripture (stuff that made it in the final cut) in the old days and using scripture that is already extant and used in the early church would tend to lend authentication to said scripture being mentioned…but that’s just me, I’m sure the Catholics have their own explanation.

    Didn’t Jesus mention Adam and Eve and Noah and the flood? Now we know these stories are mythical…what is one to think???

    The Old Testament of the time, the Septuagint, was already canonized by the Hebrews wasn’t it? Or did it take the Orthodox Church to make it official in the 300’s AD?

    I have read most of Enoch and whoever wrote it is a pretty good author, although I can see why it didn’t get canonized.

    Tertullian was framed. 🙂

    I think the Ethiopian church is still using it, and they have the Ark of the Covenant also. 🙂

    You write:
    “Interesting that people regain their memory when there is money to be made after so many years.”

    I have no idea what you mean here.

    Have a good Christmas and New Year holiday my friend.

    twom

  3. TWOM: Sorry I flunked Latin class

    QB: It’s a logic fallacy you were imploying. You know they still use latin in science especially in biology.

    TWOM: Didn’t Jesus mention Adam and Eve and Noah and the flood? Now we know these stories are mythical…what is one to think???

    QB: Well Adam in Hebrew means man- generic meaning. Adam wasn’t his given name or surname. The story of the flood teaches a moral story; the intent isn’t a scientific one.

    TWOM: The Old Testament of the time, the Septuagint, was already canonized by the Hebrews wasn’t it? Or did it take the Orthodox Church to make it official in the 300’s AD?

    QB: No the Septuagint (Greek- OT) was written by Jews, but they didn’t canonize their OT until the 1 century A.D. and it didn’t include some books in the Septuagint. IMO its because the Apostles and their disciples use it as a recruitment tools to convert Jews.

    On the memory issue it was in reference to those who claim abuse after 10 years of legal battles and now 40 or 50 year after the fact they “remember” it.

    Since you don’t observe Christmas I’ll just wish you a happy new year.

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