No God?…No Problem!

“No god? … No problem!” reads the advertisement featuring the smiling faces of people wearing Santa Claus hats. “Be good for goodness’ sake.”

Over the next two weeks, 270 of the ads will go up on city buses and trains in the Washington area as part of the holiday kickoff to campaigns sponsored by secular groups in cities around the country and abroad. If last year was any indication, the signs are likely to spark a theological war of words.”  From a New York Times article, go HERE for full story.

I can just hear all the bitching and moaning that going to come from this campaign.  It will run in New York, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, and the University of Idaho in Moscow, Idaho, as well as in London; Barcelona, Spain; Genoa, Italy; and Toronto, Montreal and Calgary, Canada.

Of course the theist wimps will proclaim that atheists are targeting them and being hateful to them, and I say that the religious folks have done the same thing to atheists for many centuries….see how it feels

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7 Responses to No God?…No Problem!

  1. I actually like the idea. Atheists spending money on their faith to bring the economy back.

    However the Santa Claus thing is a bad idea, for you see his is a Catholic religious symbol, you don’t want to send a mixed message now do you?

    And really if there is no higher being why would anyone want to be good for goodness sakes? Really if this is all there is why not create as much chaos as you possibly can? Rape, pillage and burn until you die. Its all good. Be careful who you recruit, you may not like what you get.

    Again the really Christians are just preparing to pick up the pieces of civilization after your gone:>)

  2. thewordofme says:

    Hi Qboa,

    Yeah, I find that the atheists I know are pretty civic minded; I know I like to go out and buy
    stuff. 🙂

    You write:
    “However the Santa Claus thing is a bad idea, for you see his is a Catholic religious symbol, you don’t want to send a mixed message now do you?”

    Really? I didn’t know that ol’ Santa was copyrighted and trademarked. There’s that Catholic Church mythical imagery stuff again.

    You write:
    “And really if there is no higher being why would anyone want to be good for goodness sakes? Really if this is all there is why not create as much chaos as you possibly can? Rape, pillage and burn until you die. Its all good. Be careful who you recruit, you may not like what you get.”

    You know that religious fundagelicals use this argument on us atheist people all the time. It seems that Christians have a lot of bottled up anger or something…I mean why else would they think that without believing in an imaginary magical spirit they could go out and rape, burn and plunder all they want? Well actually they did it—rape, burn and plunder that is, think of the Crusades. Was that with Gods permission do you think?

    You write:
    “Again the really Christians are just preparing to pick up the pieces of civilization after your gone:>)”

    Seeing as how all of us on earth are more likely to be killed by religious zealotry than anything else, I suppose they ought to take the responsibility to clean up after themselves.

    twom

  3. The Crusades yea I think it the first few were just. Doesn’t mean rape and plunder is just.

    I think the argument is valid as far as rape, burning and plunder however if there is no god. In other words (IOW) there is no valid reason not to since morals would be only in the mind of the beholder.

    TWOM: Seeing as how all of us on earth are more likely to be killed by religious zealotry than anything else, I suppose they ought to take the responsibility to clean up after themselves.

    I’m not taking responsibility for Caesar, Attila the Hun, Genghis khan, Hitler, Stalin, Mao.

    Objectively I’d break it down as:

    #1) Atheist
    #2) Polytheist
    #3) Muslim
    #4) Christian
    #5) Animists
    Now you could probably move Christians up to #3 on the number of wars Christians have had, simply by the amount of time they have been in power in various countries, but not death toll.

    The reason I place Atheists in first is because I link secular humanism with atheism.

    That’s why I throw Stalin and Mao in your corner and that’s why your on the top of the list. You just happened to come to power when the world population is the largest.

    http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#20worst

  4. thewordofme says:

    Hi Qboa, thanks for writing.

    I’ll throw Hitler back to you as a few historians think religion was a big factor in his makeup and actions.

    I don’t think that Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Attila, or Genghis were into Secular Humanism and I really doubt that if they were religious in any way it would make a difference in their ultimate actions. They were obviously power mad sociopaths…as was Hitler.

    I pretty much subscribe to the tenants of the Council for Secular Humanism as seen below

    “What Is Secular Humanism?
    Secular Humanism is a term which has come into use in the last thirty years to describe a world view with the following elements and principles:

    • A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted on faith.

    • Commitment to the use of critical reason, factual evidence, and scientific methods of inquiry, rather than faith and mysticism, in seeking solutions to human problems and answers to important human questions.

    • A primary concern with fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general.

    • A constant search for objective truth, with the understanding that new knowledge and experience constantly alter our imperfect perception of it.

    • A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.

    • A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.

    • A conviction that with reason, an open marketplace of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children. “

    From Council for Secular Humanism HERE

    http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php?page=what&section=main

    Thanks for the link to war casualties.

  5. I’ll throw Hitler back to you as a few historians think religion was a big factor in his makeup and actions.

    Sure he was baptized as a Catholic, but he wasn’t raised as one. You can claim he was involved with the occult, but I don’t place the occult in with religion.

    “A conviction that dogmas, ideologies and traditions, whether religious, political or social, must be weighed and tested by each individual and not simply accepted on faith”

    The problem with this is that secular humanism is clearly an ideology itself, it also most strongly manifests itself in the political area and it pushes for legal changes in the social area. Its also religious in its atheism, but isn’t localized as far as I can tell but then you don’t worship so that almost makes sense.

    “A primary concern with fulfillment, growth, and creativity for both the individual and humankind in general. ”

    Sorry those deal with moral issues and it conflicts with the previous point about

    “critical reason, factual evidence, and scientific methods of inquiry, rather than faith and mysticism”

    “A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.”

    Sorry you face the same problem. That deals with values, what is life, what makes a human, the arts etc.

    “A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.”

    So devoid of religious values “rather than faith and mysticism” you place your own human bias into the mix. So in your words we are slaves to the corporate moguls values and the UN politician instead of a 5 century B.C. goat herder.

    Frankly if that’s the actual choice then I chose the goat herder;>)

    The French Revolution’s reign of terror, the Spanish civil war, the Italian fascist, the Russia& Chinese revolution, are all secular humanism carried out to it conclusion.

    And the reason is because there is no moral foundation but man and therefore there is no one they are held accountable too.

  6. Mariano says:

    The AHA bus ads are mere propaganda that answers to an argument that no one has made. The claim is not that atheists lack of morals but lack of moral premise, lack of ethos.

    It is also a reprinting of their ads from last year:
    http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2008/11/another-atheist-charity-huge-success.html

    And they are all a part of the atheist bus ads fracas:
    http://atheismisdead.blogspot.com/2009/08/atheism-essays-particular-to-atheist.html

    Yet again, during a time of the year when people are generally more inclined towards charity—peace on earth and good will towards non-gender specific personages—atheists are busily collecting hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars during a time of recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to purchase bill boards and bus ads whereby they seek to demonstrate, to themselves, just how clever they are—need any more be said?

  7. thewordofme says:

    Hi Mariano, thanks for writing.

    You write:
    “The AHA bus ads are mere propaganda that answers to an argument that no one has made. The claim is not that atheists lack of morals but lack of moral premise, lack of ethos.”

    Do you not think that atheists have as much right to propagandize as Christianity, Islam, and Jews do? It’s a free market out there and atheists love to proselytize as much as anyone. Not to mention that we are on the side of truth.

    The two major religions are the ones fighting each other now; you don’t see atheists going around killing each other or flying aircraft into occupied buildings. You don’t see atheists strapping on explosives and walking into crowds and detonating themselves. Atheists are the sane ones in this world; we don’t want to kill or demonize anyone because they don’t believe in OUR God.

    You write:
    “Yet again, during a time of the year when people are generally more inclined towards charity—peace on earth and good will towards non-gender specific personages—atheists are busily collecting hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of dollars during a time of recession not in order to help anyone in real material need but in order to purchase bill boards and bus ads whereby they seek to demonstrate, to themselves, just how clever they are—need any more be said?”

    We are recruiting and spreading the word that there is no God. We have that privilege as much as you do**. You want to talk about wasted money, how about those televangelists that con thousands of people out of their savings…think of Oral Roberts or Tammi Fay Bakker and associates or Pat Robertson or Ted Haggard or any of the hundreds of other ministers that only have local audiences but still extract millions of dollars from the poor.

    We recognize the scams that are going on, and are trying to clean out the virus, the scourge of religion.’

    **What do you want to bet that there people out there who will read this and think to themselves that if they could get their hands on us they would teach us a thing or two. You know, beat a little sense into us.

    Much of religion today is evil.

    PS Far from being dead…atheism is alive and growing.

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