The Failed Prophecy of Jesus

Matthew 16:27-28
“For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Matthew 24:30-34
“At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other … Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. I tell you the truth; this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”

Luke 21:25-33
“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near … Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.”

We all know of course that this prophecy of Jesus that he would return before the present generation died never happened, and Christian apologists have been trying for over a thousand years to either explain it or somehow deny it.

Some have argued that Jesus’ use of the word generation (genea in Greek) does not signify a generation as most people understood, but that a secondary meaning of genea, namely, race, the Jewish race, could have been intended.
This however would seem to suggest the unlikely possibility that the many scholars who produced our major English translations of the Bible were incompetent and had not the ability to discern the true meaning of the word, despite their mastery of Greek and the textual context.

Another thing to consider here is that the apostolic gospels were written by anonymous authors…not the true Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

Now we take a verse from the Old Testament

Deuteronomy 18:21-22
“You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.”

Now Moses is the reputed author of Deuteronomy and all fundagelicals believe this to be true, but consider this…Deuteronomy was the work of King Josiah and his reforms: M. L. de Wette initiated this view in 1805 by suggesting King Josiah had Deuteronomy created as a type of “pious fraud” to further his agenda of religious reform. Since then this has become the dominant view among most scholars.[1] Proponents of this view point to the lack of penalties for attending feasts and theological theme of centralized worship. [1]Richard Elliott Friedman, Who Wrote the Bible? (New York: HarperCollins, 1997).

So we have unknown authors writing of a reputed Jesus prophesying that he will be back real soon…riding up in the clouds and men of power will quake in their boots, and it never happened.  And we have either King Josiah or Moses, hundreds of years’ earlier, teaching men that those who prophesy something that never happens are not to be believed.

I’m so confused..:-)

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18 Responses to The Failed Prophecy of Jesus

  1. Justin says:

    It is a prophecy about a future generation, oh ya Ezekiel said that the lands of Russia and the people belonging to a false prophet will invade Israel for money and food, today Israel is booming in this depression and producing more food per acher than any other country, WW3 is soon skeptic.

  2. thewordofme says:

    This makes no sense whatsoever Justin.

  3. Justin says:

    Yes it does fact denier

  4. Marykate says:

    Failed prophesy? When He said that some would see Him coming into His kingdom before they died- that was correct- John DID see Jesus in a vision in Revelation. Re: coming soon- remember that “soon” to us mere mortals means something entirely different to God, where “a thousand years is as a day.” God stands outside of our timeline. Six thousand years is to Him only a blink of an eye, so to speak. So no, no failed prophesies. And yes, He IS coming soon. Get ready. “The fool has said in his heart ‘there is no God'”!

  5. thewordofme says:

    Words of Jesus:

    I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    I tell you the truth; this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

    I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

    Jesus was saying here that the people before him, as he spoke, would not all die before he came back. He did not say he would be back “soon,” he said not all present would be dead upon his return. This obviously did not happen…therefore Jesus was a false prophet.

    The people (unknown) who wrote the “words of Jesus” above…did not know or meet Jesus and the earliest of the writings was about 30 or so years after the death of Jesus…

    The stories do not stand up to critical evaluation.

  6. Justin says:

    When you wrote back to Marykate you said Jesus was a false prophet because of what he said.
    Jesus spoke of him returning in his own generation well your quite wrong.
    Jesus is talking about his Crucifixion and Ressurection, not anything to do with his second coming.
    The people who wrote the New Testement defiently wrote it from Paul’s earliest letters 5 years after Jesus’ death to the Gospels written 60 or so years after Christ’s death.
    Does this make the New Testement unrealiable? NO.
    If you do your history, a lot of what we know about the Roman wars were written hundreds of years after they took place, one war I forgot the name of was written about a THOUSAND years after it took place.
    Another example is Alexander the Great, the earliest copies of him were written 400 YEARS after he lived.
    And plus we have more refrences to Jesus than the Emperor living at Jesus’ time Tibirius. We have 40 writtings on Jesus within 150 years of his life and only 10 on the Roman Emperor Tibirius in that time as well.
    Also the Messianic prohecies give a detailed account of Jesus’ life well before he lived, God told the prophets very detailed descriptions of the Messiah, so the Messianic prophecies prove God exists and Jesus must be the Christ.

  7. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

    “Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.”

    “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.”

    “Nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

    “Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.”

    “Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.”

    “And ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”

    “But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.”

    “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.”

    “Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I
    come, what is that to thee?”

    1 Cor.1:7-8 “Waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ … that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    1 Cor.7:29 “But this I say, brethren, the time is
    short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none.”

    “That ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.

    “The Lord is at hand.”

    1 Th.4:17 “Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”

    1 Th.5:23 “I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.”

    “Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son….”

    “But now once in the end of the world hath he
    appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.”

    “For yet a little while, and he that shall come will
    come, and will not tarry.”

    “For the coming of the Lord draweth nigh.”
    1 Pet.1:20 “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you.”

    1 Pet.4:7 “But the end of all things is at hand.”

    2 Pet.3:4 “Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

    1 Jn.2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”

    1 Jn.4:3 “And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.”

    “The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass.

    “The time is at hand.”

    “Behold, I come quickly.”

    “Surely I come quickly.”

    The earliest Gospel was supposedly written by Mark about 60-65 AD, this was some 30 or so years after Jesus died. The latest was supposedly John, about 70 or so years after Jesus died.

    In all four gospels scholars are not sure who wrote them…this is even taught in Seminary. The Catholics in their encyclopedia admit this.

  8. Justin says:

    Again I say 30-60 years after Christ is nothing compared to 400 years after Alexander the Great or Roman wars.
    With all the prophecies it sounds like the generation they are living in but they are seeing into the future and writing it as they are there.
    Also we have different accounts in the Gospels you might think this makes them contradictary but actually when you study history an event with different accounts is considered more accurate than an event with one account because…
    With more than one different accounts it shows different perspectives and shows more realibility in that way.
    An example would be when Oliver Cromwell attacked a rebel Irish town.
    We have 3 different sources on this attack what are all different but with the same roots of the battle, this gives historians different perspectives on what happened and sheds more light on what had happened.
    We have Roman historians who wrote about Christ and the same basic story about Christ. Even an Eygptian doctor wrote about Jesus and his miracles even though he believed he could do the same.
    The Gospels are reliable if you examine the evidence.
    I told my Atheist friend this and he now believes that all of history is unreliable and all theory I told him that if all of it is theory than we might not be around and history as we know it wouldn’t be the same and life would be different.
    So saying the Gospels are unreliable means most of everything in history textbooks is unreliable and this doesn’t add up.
    Look at the facts, peace out.

  9. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    The resurrection

    Who went to the tomb?
    Mary alone (John)
    Mary and another Mary (Matthew)
    Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Jesus and Salome (Mark)
    Women who had accompanied Jesus from Galilee to Jerusalem…maybe Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary mother of James and others. (Luke)

    Had the stone already been rolled away from the tomb?
    Yes (Mark)
    An Angel rolled it away while the women were there (Matthew)

    What or Who did they see there?
    An Angel (Matthew)
    A young man (Mark)
    Two men (Luke)
    No one (John)

    What were the women told?
    Tell the disciples to go to Galilee where Jesus will meet them. (Mark)
    Remember what Jesus had told them while in Galilee, that he would die and rise again. (Luke)
    Then the women tell the disciples what they heard and saw (Matthew)
    They do not tell anyone (Mark)
    These two different stories will have great significance later that appears to be irreconcilable.

    If they tell someone, who is it?
    The eleven disciples (Matthew)
    The eleven disciples and “others” (Luke)
    Simon Peter and another anonymous disciple (John)

    What do the Disciples do?
    Nothing because Jesus immediately appears to them (Matthew)
    They do not believe the women (Luke)
    They go to the tomb to see for themselves (John)

    Remember that the writers of these stories had no idea that their works would end up side-by-side in a single book. Also we know that the Gospels were not written by the alleged authors, we in fact, do not know who wrote them and we can’t be sure we have the actual words or story of Jesus as none of the writers were eye-witnesses. So there is a real possibility that the resurrection story is or was manipulated.

    My feeling on the book is that you cannot just read and accept it at face value; you must do what the Bible scholars started doing about 300 years ago. If you know anyone who has gone to theological seminary (not fundamentalist) ask them what the seminary teaches about the Gospel authors.

    There are 29 generations listed from David to Jesus in Matthew’s Genealogy, while Luke’s (3:23-31) has 43. Except for David at one end and Jesus at the other, there are only three names in the two lists that are the same. 1:6-16

  10. Justin says:

    You show the ‘contradictions’ as you call it but just because they say different things in the same root of the story doesn’t make the whole basic story fall apart. If we say there was a fight in a school one child would say he started it another would say someone else, but this doesn’t mean there wasn’t a fight, but with your idea it does mean there wasn’t a fight because of the contradictions.
    When you say we don’t know who wrote the Gospels, well we kinda do, Matthew= Matthew, Mark= Mark, Luke= Luke, John= John.
    Also at the begining of Luke he says about how hard it was to find this information, so this implies the doctor Luke studied hard like a historian to find the information on the Son of God.
    When you say they weren’t eyewittnesses, well neither was the historian who wrote down Alexander the Great’s biography 400 YEARS after him, neither was the historian who wrote down about Rome invanding Carthalige, neither was the historian who wrote an article about the battle of Stalingrad last year so you get my point?
    Almost everything in history was written well after it happened, this doesn’t mean by anyway that it becomes unreliable.
    When you mention the geneoalogy of Jesus, with what you would call ‘contradictions’, not so you must be reading the Gospels wrong or have dislicsia because there are 14 names that are the same not 3, well you may say how about the others.
    Well in Luke’s it only has Jospeth over Jesus meaning only Jospeth’s side of the family. On Matthew’s it has Jospeth and Mary over Jesus’ name, so there is a greater chance Matthew went onto Mary’s side of the family.
    You really need to stop looking at one side of the story, think about what you say, do more research, start being more open minded and actually read the Bible, over 80 percent of Atheists haven’t read any religous book, including the Bible, and that is one of the reasons why they are Atheists.
    Open your eyes.

  11. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    Hundreds of untruths, misconceptions, fraud, hoaxes, and flat out lies in this product of the human mind.

    “The impression could arise that the Trinitarian dogma is in the last analysis a late 4th. Century invention. In a sense, this is true… The formula of ‘One God in three persons’ was not solidly established, certainly not fully assimilated into Christian life and its profession of faith, prior to the end of the 4th. Century.” New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967), Volume 14, Page 299

    “The council of Nicea met on May 20th. 325 AD Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussion, and personally proposed…the crucial formula expressing the relationship of Christ to God in the creed issued by the council. ‘of one substance with the Father’…Overawed by the Emperor, the Bishops with two exception only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination.” Encyclopedia Britannica (1979), Volume 5, Page 386

    What does the Bible say? “Stephen, filled with the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at God’s right hand. “Look! I can see heaven thrown open,’ he said, ‘and the Son of man standing at the right hand of God.’” Acts 7:55, 56 NJB

    What did the vision reveal? Filled with God’s active force (Holy Spirit), Stephen saw Jesus “Standing at God’s right hand.” Clearly, then, Jesus did not become God again after his resurrection to heaven, but, rather, a distinct spiritual being. There is no mention of a third person next to God in this account. Parenthesis added.

    Despite attempts to find passages of scripture to support the Trinity dogma, Dominican priest Marie-Emile Boismard wrote in his book “At the dawn of Christianity-The Birth of Dogmas” “The statement that there are three persons in the one God…cannot be read anywhere in the New Testament.”

    The dogma that Constantine championed was intended to put an end to dissension in the fourth- century Church…”Christian Myth 4: God Is A Trinity”

    Matthew 26:39 And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet not as I will, but as You will.”

    Colossians 1:15, 16 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

    Another problem that is as big as the genealogy lineage is the ancestral heritage. Jesus was supposed to be in the line of David. The line of David comes through Joseph, but Joseph was not the father of Jesus, God was. Luke explicitly says that the bloodline is of Joseph, not Mary. There is no blood of David in Jesus.

  12. Justin says:

    Firstly the Trinity.
    It is the hardest thing to understand, how can one be three?
    Imagine a dude called Joe, he is a footballer, singer and actor.
    Joe does all these things at different times but is still one person called Joe.
    This is a like the Trinity God can become 3 but at the same time.
    When Stephen saw Jesus at God’s right hand, it doesn’t mean Jesus wasn’t God, remember Jesus was God in flesh, so Jesus could not become one with God, because of his human side.
    Yes no one has seen God, but Jesus was God in flesh not just God, and read through the Old Testement, lot’s of prophets saw God’s presence.
    With the geneoligy of Christ, you must of read it wrong because I did say Luke’s was about Josepth’s.
    You must have dislicsia or something mate because Luke’s account does say David.
    Yes Jesus was defiently born of the Virgin Mary. Though Jesus’ family is decendents of David.
    Just actually read the Bible and look up the Messianic prophecies, they prove God exists because he told them about Jesus in huge detail, hundreds of years before Christ was even born.

  13. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    Perhaps you could lead me to a couple of these prophecies…

  14. Justin says:

    Ok mate I will.
    In Genesis it says the Messiah will be a desendent of Eve, prophecy fulfilled in Galatians.
    The Messiah will be a desendent of Abraham, through whom everyone on earth will be blessed, prophecy fulfilled in Acts.
    The Messiah will be from Judah, fulfilled in Matthew and Luke.
    The Messiah will be a great prophet like Moses, prophecy fulfilled in Acts.
    The Messiah will be the Son of God, prophecy fulfilled in Matthew, Mark and Luke.
    Now so far these prophecies I have shown to you have been vague and can apply to a few people, I am sure your more skeptical on these than I am.
    The next ones are so exact, I think you should examine your Atheist faith a little.
    The Messiah will be raised from the dead, fulfilled a number of times.
    He will be crucified, sneered and mocked, pierced in hands and feet, his bones will not be broken (in crucifixion the bones of someone will be broken to kill them quicker, though because Jesus had already been whipped and lost so much blood, he died before his bones were broken), men will gamble for his clothes, the Messiah will ascend to the right hand of God (when you were talking about St Stephen you were by mistake proving God!),the Messiah will be given vinegar and gall to drink (when Jesus was carrying the cross people offered him vinegar and gall to drink),great kings will pay homage to the Messiah (the Magi in the Nativity, or even great kings in Europe e.g Alfred the Great the only great king of England), the Messiah is a desendent of David, the Messiah will be born of a Virgin, he will begin his journey in Gallilie, he will heal the death and blind and so on, he will be beaten and mocked, people will not hear and believe the arm of the Lord, the Messiah will be rejected, he will be killed, the Messiah will be silent in front of his accusers, he will be buried with the rich, he will be crucified with criminals, the Messiah is part of the New and everlasting Covenent, the Messiah will be are intercessor, he has two missions, the Messiah will come at a specific time, he will be born in Bethlehem, he will rid into Jerusalem on a donkey, he will be sold for 30 pieces of silver, he will be forsaken by his diciples, he will enter the Temple with authority.
    Now there were a lot of very very specific prophecies about this Messiah, and you would have to be ignorant to say the prophets are not talking about Jesus.
    Now the dead sea scrolls prove they were written before Jesus.
    You might say the Christian wrote this to make Jesus look like the Messiah, I thought this sometimes but then I realised that the early Saints were not getting money or anything from this, they were risking there lives for someone you would say was just a historical figure.
    So they did not write this to make Jesus look like the Christ, these things actually happened to Jesus.
    The Messianic prophecies do prove God because if look at any of prophet like Nostradamus, there prophecies were so vague some could apply to me and you.
    With the Messianic propecies the chance of someone by misake fulfilling these prophecies is the same chance that a zombie is going to eat me and a horse is going to pick up a nuke and bomb Mars, this is never going to happen, so you see my point?
    If you have anymore questions please ask.

  15. Justin says:

    Mate it’s been a few days and you haven’t refuted my arguments.
    If you can’t refute them, then become a Christian.
    You will lose nothing and gain everything. Shuting down this website won’t kill you, it will also save others.
    Think about the prospect of eternal life.
    Cheers mate, peace out.

  16. Justin says:

    TWOM u are not responding on any of ur posts, I would love to debate more with u.
    At the moment, it is basically me and some dude Caleb against Dave Wyman, so u could go on his team to help him, he is getting pretty pounded.
    So are u going to refute the Messianic prophecies?

  17. thewordofme says:

    Hi Justin,

    I will answer as soon as I can get some time. I tend to write long replies and I have some home-duties to take care of.

    Keep up the arguing…I’m enjoying it immensely. 🙂

  18. 8manafter says:

    Hey, I became fascinated by this! Anymore from you two?

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