Did Jesus Fulfill Old Testament Prophecies

“I have examined all the passages in the New Testament quoted from the Old, and so-called prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, and I find no such thing as a prophecy of any such person, and I deny there are any.”  Thomas Paine

Did Jesus fulfill the Old Testament prophecies?  Did He bring peace on earth, or bring all the Jews back to Israel and end disease and oppression?  Did He spread the knowledge of the One True God throughout all nations?  Wasn’t all of this supposed to be done during the Messiah’s lifetime? And didn’t he promise to return before many of his people died?

A case can be made that the New Testament was written to fulfill those Old Testament prophecies. A man can be falsely imbued with the necessary myths to make the old well known stories appear to be consummated.

“Every case of alleged fulfillment of messianic prophecy suffers from one of the following failings: the alleged Old Testament prophecy is not a messianic prophecy or not a prophecy at all, the prophecy has not been fulfilled by Jesus, or the prophecy is so vague as to be unconvincing in its application to Jesus.” Jim Lippard  “The Fabulous Prophecies of the Messiah,”

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All three of them are evangelical fundamentalist wacko’s

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12 Responses to Did Jesus Fulfill Old Testament Prophecies

  1. Jim Lippard says:

    Thanks for the quotation! You might want to point your readers to the source of that quotation, which is an evaluation of alleged messianic prophecies, “The Fabulous Prophecies of the Messiah,” hosted at the Secular Web.

  2. CCredentials says:

    There are lots of sites listing the fulfilled prophecies. Here are a couple I just found. I haven’t studied them though but am familiar with lots of them because I know the bible.

    http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/messiah.htm

    http://100prophecies.org/page2.htm

  3. the word of me says:

    So where are you on the question of there NOT being an actual Adam and Eve and therefore there being no need for Jesus?

    Do you have a list of the actual prophecies from the Old Testament? I think one of my earlier repliers provided a list of fulfilled prophecies.

  4. CCredentials says:

    Well I would disagree. I believe Adam and Eve did exist.

    I would just google “OT prophecies fulfilled by Jesus.” There are lots of studies on it.

    But are you actually looking to discuss this? I mean are you open to really knowing if Jesus was/is real etc? I mean I will discuss and all that but if your mind is already made up it is kind of silly.

    I have never done an actual in depth study on all the prophecies He fulfilled. I just know the main ones and few more.

  5. the word of me says:

    Hi CCredentials,

    How can you disagree? We know the early (200,000 YO) Homo-sapiens existed…there is no question at all about this in the relevant science disciplines. The Smithsonian has a major exhibit going on about early man, and most all major museums in the entire world have exhibits on this.

    Do you just shut out the information and pretend it doesn’t exist? If you acknowledge and inspect the evidence you can only come to one conclusion…if you are truly honest with yourself.

    If Homo-sapiens was walking the earth 200,000 years ago (and he was) and Homo-sapiens Neanderthalis was also there at the same time…and the two were cohabiting occasionally (which they were) where could Adam and Eve possible fit in?

    6,000 and 8,000 and 10,000 years ago we know the whole world was covered with humans; again there is no doubt about this at all. Jericho was inhabited earlier than 6,000 years ago.

    Do you think the Garden of Eden time was 200,000 years ago?

    I’m really serious about the questions. I really can’t understand how anyone still believes that the Old Testament stories are real. There is SOOO much we know about the olden times in the biblical lands that totally contradict the stories.

    I found a list of the Prophecies from the Old Testament and I’m researching them now. If you are willing, I am willing…there are many things about religion I have questions about and having a knowledgeable person to “talk” with sounds good to me. I am open to truth and verifiable answers, and can and have changed my mind about stuff.

    Regards,
    twom

  6. the word of me says:

    Hello again CCredentials, thanks for the reply.

    So what you are saying is that you don’t recognize the scientific evidence for an old earth and mankind being on the earth for hundreds of thousands of years. You reject all of the archaeological and DNA evidence and think the scientists have an evil plot or conspiracy going on to deceive honest Christians. Would that be an accurate description of what you think?

    I enjoyed your media article. I think Fox is the biggest purveyor of false info and the way they slant things is beautiful to watch and horrendous to contemplate what it is doing to the collective IQ of our people.

    • CCredentials says:

      Good morning TWOM, no i am saying that you reject all the evidence of the earth being young and pointing to a creator.

      I don’t believe that scientists are plotting against Christians. i DO believe however that they are starting with ideaolgy and basing their science off of it. I believe if they objectively tried to prove the existence of God or a creator that they would find it.

      Remember, scientists used to be certain of many things we now know to be false. Some people hold scientists to the same level that some hold their God.

      We could go back in forth with this. I used to believe in darwinism but now don’t. There are lots of scientists who believe in God and creation. They also believe they have evidence for it. But what it boils down to is the ideaology we have. I mean if we are not gonna believe in God no matter what then the “facts” are moot.

      The only thing I could say is check out the movie Expelled, The Discovery Institute or Creation Evidence sites. I think you would at least be displeased with what is happening on campuses all over the country- professors losing jobs, denied tenure and laughed out of the scientific communtiy because they dare to mention ID. That is not the America I live in.

      Yes, Fox leans to right and most ofthers to the left. BUT, I think that MSNBC is most bias of the american news outlets.

      Thanks

  7. the word of me says:

    Good Afternoon CCredentials,

    Don’t you think a real God would set up the world and mankind in such a superior and well conceived way that ALL of His children would not, could not, question His supremacy and power or His existence. There would be such a wonderful revelation of His ways and desires that there would NOT be over 3000 different sects or divisions all proclaiming to be “The One True Way to God” or some such silliness.

    However what we find upon close examination, is that God created evil as well as good. His followers have killed and maimed in His name and its only in the last 60 or 70 years that mankind has learned that many of the teachings in the Bible are not to be followed.

    The Christian Church killed as many as 3 million people for being witches (from the Bible…suffer not a witch to live) before realizing there was no such thing as witches. In the earliest days tens of thousands of people were killed in fighting over such petty things as the wording of verses or a scripture. Then there were the Inquisitions…many thousands killed for heresy, blasphemy, looking at a neighbor wrong, just stupid things. Then there were the religious wars in the middle ages, Catholics against Protestants…millions killed there.

    Would a real God be party to such things? Not even trying to set man on the right path, just letting him fight it out until the last man and whoever was left got to write the rules

    We all know that the Islamic religion is reaching for world domination and control over all of humanity. Now I find that certain groups of Christians (and Republicans) want Biblical laws to prevail in our land. The 2 most powerful religions on earth want to totally control mankind and smother many, perhaps most, of our freedoms.

    The Discovery Institute, Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Research, etc. all lie. They like to make their own doctors and have them write junk-science in order to fool people into believing they have the real answers to life.

    Isn’t Rachel Maddow on MSNBC? I particularly like her and how she calls out the evil propaganda that most politicians push on us. On radio, Rush Limbaugh is batspit crazy and the new contender for Satan’s seat on earth. Just my opinion of course. :-)

    • CCredentials says:

      Good Afternoon CCredentials,
      Good afternoon, Twom.

      Don’t you think a real God would set up the world and mankind in such a superior and well conceived way that ALL of His children would not, could not, question His supremacy and power or His existence. There would be such a wonderful revelation of His ways and desires that there would NOT be over 3000 different sects or divisions all proclaiming to be “The One True Way to God” or some such silliness.
      -One could argue that His existence is already obvious.
      We have laws right now that everyone, for the most part are aware of. But they are still broken every day. Man is man…

      However what we find upon close examination, is that God created evil as well as good. His followers have killed and maimed in His name and its only in the last 60 or 70 years that mankind has learned that many of the teachings in the Bible are not to be followed.
      Whoa! God made those people do evil things?? Looking at it from a completely Christian perspective…God can do what He wants with His creation. But God did not cause people to kill witches nor did he ask them to do it. You cannot judge a religion solely on its people. ESPECIALLY when the bible teaches that murder is wrong.
      If you read the NT you will see that Jesus said to turn the other cheek. DO NOT pay eye for an eye.
      Scientists have murdered, lied, molested children, supported wars, etc etc. Does that mean science is evil or wrong?
      The Christian Church killed as many as 3 million people for being witches (from the Bible…suffer not a witch to live) before realizing there was no such thing as witches. In the earliest days tens of thousands of people were killed in fighting over such petty things as the wording of verses or a scripture. Then there were the Inquisitions…many thousands killed for heresy, blasphemy, looking at a neighbor wrong, just stupid things. Then there were the religious wars in the middle ages, Catholics against Protestants…millions killed there.
      -I believe it was the catholic church who killed the witches. I don’t believe their beliefs to line up with the bible. That is another debate.
      Would a real God be party to such things? Not even trying to set man on the right path, just letting him fight it out until the last man and whoever was left got to write the rules
      You assume that God hasn’t tried leaving man to his own devices. He has.
      We all know that the Islamic religion is reaching for world domination and control over all of humanity. Now I find that certain groups of Christians (and Republicans) want Biblical laws to prevail in our land. The 2 most powerful religions on earth want to totally control mankind and smother many, perhaps most, of our freedoms.
      -Would you consider the right to own slaves a “freedom?” I hardly view wanting a baby to be born an attack on freedoms. A baby is a life and should have constitutional rights as anyone else.
      Comparing Islam to Christianity is comparing apples to oranges. Christianity does not seek to kill or enslave people who do not agree.
      I am a Christian and like I said before, think we should stay out of politics. Why not judge the whole religion by me?
      Christian is a loving belief system. Our weapons are spiritual not carnal. We don’t want to kill or destroy anything but sin. Sadly Christians are viewed by people who are not even close to Christlike.
      I would love someone to have to point out all the good things real Christians do. Or maybe there aren’t any?
      But Christians have a right to vote, lobby congress, petition the government and support campaigns just as anyone else in America does. It is only a problem because you disagree with their politics.

      The Discovery Institute, Answers in Genesis, Institute for Creation Research, etc. all lie. They like to make their own doctors and have them write junk-science in order to fool people into believing they have the real answers to life.
      -Don’t think we will get anywhere with this.
      Isn’t Rachel Maddow on MSNBC? I particularly like her and how she calls out the evil propaganda that most politicians push on us. On radio, Rush Limbaugh is batspit crazy and the new contender for Satan’s seat on earth. Just my opinion of course. :-)

      -Rachel Maddow IS on MSNBC. I think her and Keith Olbermann were some of the worst news people on air. Half of their show was a mockery of Fox or some other rightwing program. Their coverage is more tilted then the tower at Piza. Check any study on bias at MSNBC and you will see. But for the record I think Fox is biased too.

      Thanks!

  8. CCredentials says:

    Looks like it didn’t work how I planned. I copied your comment and answered the questions beneath each paragraph. They were supposed to be in bold.

    there is a hyphen by each answer.

    thx

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