Where’s Jesus ?

Philo, a prolific Jewish writer who lived from 20 BCE to 50 CE, wrote extensively about the political and theological movements throughout the Mediterranean, and his views foreshadowed Christian theology, yet he never once wrote anything about Jesus. Not only this, but he actually wrote about political conflicts between the Jews and Pontius Pilate in Judea
http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/jesus_myth_history.htm#6
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7 Responses to Where’s Jesus ?

  1. Plankton says:

    You may have already seen this, if not i’m sure you’ll find it interesting

    http://www.nazarethmyth.info/Fitzgerald2010HM.pdf

  2. the word of me says:

    Hello Plankton, how the heck are you?? Good to hear from you.

    No I haven’t seen your info before. Many, many thanks, it’s a very good essay. I will probably be integrating some of it in what I write in the future.

    I hope you and your family are doing well. Every one here is doing good…we survived the long and hot summer, looking forward to the cool of Fall and Winter.

  3. “Where’s Jesus?”

    Perhaps in the same place as other personages of antiquity.

    “One prolific writer and contemporary of Jesus was Philo. He was born circa 15 B.C. and lived in Alexandria, Egypt, until his death sometime after A.D. 40 His works consist primarily of philosophy and commentary on Jewish Scripture and religion as they relate to Greek culture and philosophy. His family was one of the wealthiest in Alexandria. A reading of the fifteenth edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica article on Philo will readily confirm Daniel-Rop’s conclusion: ‘It is not unduly surprising that such a person should not pay much attention to an agitator sprung from the humblest of the people, whose doctrine, if he had one, had no connection with philosophy.'”

    http://www.greatcom.org/resources/areadydefense/ch18/default.htm

    • the word of me says:

      “It is important to recognize the obvious: The gospel story of Jesus is itself apparently mythic from first to last”…Robert M. Price, professor of biblical criticism at the Center for Inquiry Institute

      “We can recreate dimensions of the world in which he lived, but outside of the Christian scriptures, we cannot locate him historically within that world”…Gerald A. Larue, The Book Your Church Doesn’t Want You to Read.

      “The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel” …Bishop John Shelby Spong.

      “According to the declaration of the Second Vatican Council, a faithful account of the actions and words of Jesus is to be found in the Gospels; but it is impossible to reconcile this with the existence in the text of contradictions, improbabilities, things which are materially impossible or statements which run contrary to firmly established reality”…Maurice Bucaille, The Bible The Quran And Science

      “Jesus is a mythical figure in the tradition of pagan mythology and almost nothing in all of ancient literature would lead one to believe otherwise. Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it”…C. Dennis McKinsey, Bible critic, The Encyclopedia of Biblical Errancy

      “Even if there was a historical Jesus lying back of the gospel Christ, he can never be recovered. If there ever was a historical Jesus, there isn’t one anymore. All attempts to recover him turn out to be just modern re-mythologizing of Jesus. Every “historical Jesus” is a Christ of faith, of somebody’s faith. So the “historical Jesus” of modern scholarship is no less a fiction”…Robert M. Price, Jesus: Fact or Fiction

      • “Anyone wanting to believe Jesus lived and walked as a real live human being must do so despite the evidence, not because of it.”

        Call him what you like, Jesus, the Christ, or what have you. He left behind a body of teachings and works that instruct others how to achieve what he achieved, some in equal measure, while others to a lesser degree.

        The demonstration of those teachings is what validates both his existence and his works, as they’re eminently replicable, which presupposes a master metaphysician at his trade, as one would acknowledge both the works and the talents of a master builder, or a master sculptor.

        When we look upon the remains of the pantheon, and see the technological know-how and skills that are evidenced, we don’t attribute that achievement to extraterrestrials, but to men like us, although the builders are no longer present.

        Similarly, it would be folly to attribute Jesus so-called miracles to anyone other than a human, when mere humans like us, who have been properly taught in his methods, can reproduce many of the wonders ascribed to him.

        So to the question, “Where’s Jesus?” you can find him in his teachings and in his works, once those teachings have been understood and demonstrated.

        “He that believeth on me the works that I do shall he do also.”

  4. the word of me says:

    You write:
    “Call him what you like, Jesus, the Christ, or what have you. He left behind a body of teachings and works that instruct others how to achieve what he achieved, some in equal measure, while others to a lesser degree.”

    What body of work and teachings did he leave behind? Jesus never wrote a thing; his apostles never wrote a thing, his disciples never wrote a thing.

    The only words we have of Jesus came through the gospels, 50+ years after his death, and those writers were not eyewitnesses to Jesus.

    Retired Bishop John Shelby Spong writes this about the words of Jesus: “The question must also be raised as to whether we have the actual words of Jesus in any Gospel.”

    The only other person who wrote about Jesus (till much later) was Paul. Even though their lives overlapped, Paul never meets Jesus face to face. He says that Jesus came to him in a beam of light, as he was traveling on the road to Damascus.

    Well I can take you to Hollywood and Vine Streets in California, just about any night, and introduce you to a couple of people who claim the same thing.

    You write:
    “The demonstration of those teachings is what validates both his existence and his works, as they’re eminently replicable, which presupposes a master metaphysician at his trade, as one would acknowledge both the works and the talents of a master builder, or a master sculptor.

    Jane Fonda produced a bunch of exercise videos many years ago. Her teachings went all over the land and people replicated her teachings and spread them even further. Is she a master metaphysician, a master sculptor, or a master builder??

    The best advice I ever heard was from Confucius: “Never impose on others what you would not choose for yourself.” I don’t know that any teachings we get from the Bible surpasses that.

    You write:
    “When we look upon the remains of the pantheon, and see the technological know-how and skills that are evidenced, we don’t attribute that achievement to extraterrestrials, but to men like us, although the builders are no longer present.”

    Yes the old ones were smart…they had to be to produce the heritage that we have in antiquities. The pyramids, Stone-Henge, the Parthenon, the colossus, etc., etc. However that all came to an end when Christianity took over the western world, and we entered the Dark Ages. Humankind lost high technology that was evident before Christ, and it would take a thousand years to regain some of it.

    You write:
    “Similarly, it would be folly to attribute Jesus so-called miracles to anyone other than a human, when mere humans like us, who have been properly taught in his methods, can reproduce many of the wonders ascribed to him.”

    Can we move mountains with faith alone? No

    Can we heal the sick…yes we can…but it is science, not religion that allows us to do that. Can we feed the multitudes…yes we can, but it is science that allows us to do that…not religion. In the Bible the cure for leprosy was to sprinkle blood from a dove on the Big Toe.

    You write:
    “So to the question, “Where’s Jesus?” you can find him in his teachings and in his works, once those teachings have been understood and demonstrated.”

    What were his teachings and his works…do we truly know?? I don’t think so

    Did he ever really exist, or is he a pious lie?

    • “What body of work and teachings did he leave behind? Jesus never wrote a thing; his apostles never wrote a thing, his disciples never wrote a thing.”

      Fair enough. The sayings and doings that were attributed to Jesus in the several Gospels came from a source that you wouldn’t believe, if I were to reveal it to you.

      “The only words we have of Jesus came through the gospels, 50+ years after his death, and those writers were not eyewitnesses to Jesus.”

      Eyewitnesses of a sort, but then again, you see reality from a linear perspective. It’s far more expansive, and circular than that, and exists long after it occurred existentially.

      “Jane Fonda produced a bunch of exercise videos many years ago. Her teachings went all over the land and people replicated her teachings and spread them even further. Is she a master metaphysician, a master sculptor, or a master builder??”

      Now you’re being facetious. The “exercise videos” were just that, exercise videos. They didn’t explore metaphysical themes. If you choose, you might refer to Jane as an Exercise Guru.

      “Can we move mountains with faith alone? No.”

      We can do more than “move mountains,” but “faith,” as we know it, as “the substance of things hoped for,” has to be in sufficient quantity and requisite quality than most people are able to conjure.

      Hence, the necessity of understanding and knowing–and the infusion of Soul energy, which renders “faith” a redundant attribute.

      “Can we heal the sick…yes we can…but it is science, not religion that allows us to do that.”

      If you think not, then you need to get out more. You’re too ensconced in your world of denial and refutation.

      “What were his teachings and his works…do we truly know?? I don’t think so.”

      From your perspective, Jesus left no “teachings,” and no “works,” as you deny both his existence and his works.

      So be it. Rather than argue interminable over the existence of a historical Jesus, let’s focus, instead, on those works and teachings that are attributed to him.

      The Sermon on the Mount encapsulates those teachings, and his works buttresses the efficacy of them.

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