Catholics Search For Aliens

Tuesday (11-10-09) was the wrap up of a five-day conference that gathered astronomers, physicists, biologists and other experts in the Vatican City to discuss the budding field of astrobiology — the study of the origin of life and its existence elsewhere in the cosmos.

“The questions of life’s origins and of whether life exists elsewhere in the universe are very suitable [subjects] and deserve serious consideration,” said the Rev. Jose Gabriel Funes, an astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory.

Four hundred years after it sent Galileo to the dungeon for challenging the church’s view that the sun revolved around the earth, the Vatican is working with scientists to study the possibility of extraterrestrial life in our universe and what the implications would be for the Catholic Church.

Rev. Funes noted that the possibility of alien life raises “many philosophical and theological implications”, but added that the gathering was focused on the scientific perspective and how different disciplines may be used to explore the issue.

Chris Impey, an astronomy professor at the University of Arizona, who was at the conference said “Both science and religion posit life as a special outcome of a vast and mostly inhospitable universe,” he told a news conference Tuesday. “There is a rich middle ground for dialogue between the practitioners of astrobiology and those who seek to understand the meaning of our existence in a biological universe.”

The Catholic Church’s views of our world, the universe, and science in general have shifted radically through the centuries since Italian philosopher Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake in 1600 for speculating, among other things, that other worlds could be inhabited.

Scientists have discovered over 400 exoplanets outside our solar system — including 32 new ones announced recently by the European Space Agency, and among all of these there are at least 20 multiple planet systems. Professor Impey said that the discovery of alien life may be only a few years away.

I wish I could be around if and or when some form of communication with an alien culture happens.  Of course the churches will be right in there trying to find out what, if any, god they worship.  And of course if they don’t have a god or gods, the churches will try their damnedest  to proselytize them however they can.

What if they worship an alien god and try to proselytize us??  🙂

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End Times, Armageddon, Second Coming. etc.

Got to thinking about the ‘End Times’ today (this being Sunday and all) and was wandering how close we were to the fabled ‘Battle of Armageddon.’ all the Christians keep talking about and wishing for. Seems there are still a few items from Biblical prophecy that need to happen before the actual ‘End Times’ are upon us.

“Megiddo was a site of great importance in the ancient world, as it guarded the western branch of a narrow pass and an ancient trade route which connected the lands of Egypt and Assyria. Because of its strategic location at the crossroads of several major routes, Megiddo and its environs have witnessed several major battles throughout history. The site was inhabited from 7000 BC to 500 BC.” From Wikipedia, go: HERE

This little fact about Megiddo’s being occupied 3000 years ( Jericho is even older) before God supposedly created Adam & Eve, makes one wonder, and maybe think that the writers of the Bible were just making up stuff.

“After the destruction of the Beast at the Second Coming of Jesus, the promised Kingdom is set up, in which Jesus and the Saints will rule for a thousand years. Satan is then loosed **”for a season” and goes out to deceive the nations, specifically, Gog and Magog. The army mentioned attacks the Saints in the New Jerusalem, they are defeated by a judgment of fire coming down from Heaven, and then comes the Great White Throne judgment, which includes all of those through the ages and these are cast into the Lake of Fire, which event is also known as the “second death” or Hell.” See Wikipedia HERE

Premillennialism is a doctrine very popular among Evangelical Fundamentalist Protestants in North America. Other premillennial groups include Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Seventh Day Adventists. Premillennialists believe the Second Coming of Christ will be the start of the ‘Millennium’ (the 1000 year period when Jesus (God for you Trinitarians) rules the world). Before this period will come a time of destruction, war and disaster on earth, called the ‘Tribulation’, which will be ended by God defeating evil (Those pesky Russkies maybe, or politicians?) at the battle of Armageddon.

During the ‘Tribulation’ the Antichrist (Satan’s emissary…probably a politician) will torture humanity, and God will go to war against him. The tribulation will end in seven years when God defeats the Antichrist and we will enter the ‘Millennium. One thing to wonder about…why would a omnipotent God take seven years to defeat evil? Another thing that is troubling to me is that some Christians think they will be caught up in a ‘Rapture’ and miss all the Tribulation. Just like the Trinity, the Rapture doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the Bible…and some Christians build a whole church/sect on these things.

Hard core Premillennialists also don’t see much point in Christians trying to improve the world, since God is about to destroy much of it…and then remake it…again…think Noah’s Flood. I could kinda’ see their point here, but since all this is just very weird and wishful thinking, and old myth’s, they really aren’t very good world citizens…and kind of downers to be around socially.

**Whats up with letting Satan loose again…does God have no mercy?

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Many fundamentalist Christians believe that the building of the Third Temple is one of the prerequisites for the second coming of Christ. Some Christian fundamentalists in the United States support arms sales and military aid to Israel in the belief that these actions will help Israel rebuild its Temple and thus bring about the End Times. Critics say the actions of fundamentalist Christians in Israel and Palestine, which includes providing material support for Jewish settlers in what was formerly Palestinian lands, is building dangerous tension in the area. However the Temple Mount is now controlled by Muslim’s, and is considered its most sacred (Dome of the Rock) site, so its unlikely that the Jews will attempt to build a new Temple there for a very long time…if ever.

Well, I think we can count out the fulfilling of this Temple3 prophecy for the immediate future. I don’t think the Muslim’s will give up the site and Israel so far looks like they don’t want to start WWIII.

All this sounds pretty scary, but since there is already lots of doubt about the stories I don’t think I’m going to worry about these Biblical myths very much. And people openly and loudly wishing for the end of the world need to go suck eggs. 🙂

Actually the Battle of Armageddon was fought in 1918, British Christianity…against the Ottoman Empire. We won.

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Adam and Eve and the Beginning

“If the Bible is true, certainly Adam was the first man; consequently, we know, if the sacred volume be true, just how long man has lived and labored and suffered on this earth.

The church cannot and dare not give up the account of the creation of Adam from the dust of the earth, and of Eve from the rib of the man. The church cannot give up the story of the Garden of Eden — the serpent — the fall and the expulsion; these must be defended because they are vital.

Without these absurdities, the system known as Christianity cannot exist. Without the fall, the atonement is a non sequitur. Facts bearing upon these questions were discovered and discussed by the greatest and most thoughtful of men. Lamarek, Humboldt, Haeckel, and above all, Darwin, not only asserted, but demonstrated, that man is not a special creation.

If anything can be established by observation, by reason, then the fact has been established that man is related to all life below him — that he has been slowly produced through countless years — that the story of Eden is a childish myth — that the fall of man is an infinite absurdity.”
The Divided Household of Faith, Robert G. Ingersoll, 1888

Now we know that Adam of the Bible was NOT the first man, or Eve of the Bible was NOT the first woman. We humans know this as well as we know that night follows day. The fact that humans have inhabited this earth for hundreds of thousands of years is established and undeniable by those people who live in the real world.

We know that Proto-humans, or Neanderthals, were walking the earth-long-before we Homo sapiens did. This fact alone disproves Biblical beginnings of man.

We know that the Chinese were predicting eclipses before Moses supposedly wrote Genesis and described creation wrong.

We know that Noah’s flood never happened. NO evidence at all for this story. This fact alone disproves Biblical beginnings.

We know for a fact, that all people living on earth today are NOT descended from the supposed eight survivors of Noah’s flood about 4300 years ago. DNA science has disproved this religious notion.

We know that the ‘Tower of Babel’, as described in the Bible, never happened. Languages were all over the world at the time of the OT Bible story, any many, many years before that.

We know that the Bible and Scripture have been manipulated throughout its history.

We know that prayer is never answered. It’s all statistical anomaly.

We know there are no hard proofs for the existence of any ‘God’ or ‘gods’…none.

There are no hard proofs for Jesus…as described in the Bible.

Religious organizations try their damnest to disprove these facts, but all their arguments inevitably fall back on the rejection of real evidence, and the use of magic.

Despite the total failure of the Hebrew religion to explain our natural world, which it should be able to do if it were the ‘Word of God’, millions of people leave their brains at the door and believe superstitious nonsense and somehow justify it to themselves.

Think of the whole sweep of the history of our earth and ALL of its people. Think of the millions and millions of people that were living everywhere on earth when the Old Testament history was supposedly written. That a real God would pick these non-descript desert dwellers, and embroil Himself in their day-to-day matters and tell them who to kill and steal land from…is ridiculous.

And that anyone would believe these Hebrews wrote down the word-for-word ranting of a God out to kill off Hebrew opponents, and make a religion out of it…is insane.

God is made in the image of man, not vice-versa.

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Why are there still Christians?

The birth of the Christian religion is filled with secrecy, intrigue, deaths, torture, outright lies, and misdirection. There was no (and still isn’t) easy path to what we now know as the Christian faith. It took hundreds of years and the death of many innocents. There have been innumerable additions and falsehoods to Scripture. Many mistranslations…or at least many sects say so…they all want their own “world view” or “brand” of theology to be the dominant one.

Modern Christians fight as much nowadays as they did in 1 to 500 AD. The controversy never ends, it seems. They metaphorically stab each other in the back on a daily basis. They may not speak out on the pulpit against Jehovah’s Witnesses, Baptists, Pentecostal, or whatever they’re not. But, boy do they ever when like-minded ones gather informally. The Trinitarian clique badmouths the non-trinitarians and vice-versa. Catholics look down on JW’s, Baptists look down on Unitarians. The cacophony is deafening; there is no ending in sight.

They all claim to be “The Way” to everlasting, eternal life. They witness that “their” interpretation is the only true path. If disagreed with, they spit and sputter. If you try to reason with them their brains shut down and they deny common facts and truths. Walk up to a reader and believer in the Left Behind series of books and tell them you think the Rapture is bogus, and the idea that millions of people will suddenly fly up into Heaven is absurd, and you’d better stand back and prepare to defend yourself.

I’ve known religious people all my life and you wouldn’t believe how many will hardly sit still for a fictional show or documentary depiction of religion that crosses their faith.

They all seem to be worshipping a different God. They follow different paths to get to the same place….they think. Trouble is your path is wrong and you’ll never make it. One wonders, because of all this confusion, if the whole thing isn’t wrong…a misdirection of the intellect as it were.

How can anyone seriously defend something that has had two thousand years to settle in with the human psyche and is still in an internal uproar, and is not accepted by two thirds of the world population? Why, if all of this is the God’s honest truth, 🙂 is there so much dissent out there…so much unbelief and cynicism?

If, it’s all true, why do today’s science discoveries throw sooo much doubt on sooo many of the stories? Why do so many of the biblical scholars have so many doubts about things that Christians swear by?

I’m really confused and I doubt that I’ll be unconfused anytime soon.

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