20,000 Year Old (?) Pottery From China

“Pottery fragments found in a south China cave have been confirmed to be 20,000 years old, making them the oldest known pottery in the world, archaeologists say.

The findings, which will appear in the journal Science on Friday, add to recent efforts that have dated pottery piles in East Asia to more than 15,000 years ago, refuting conventional theories that the invention of pottery correlates to the period about 10,000 years ago when humans moved from being hunter-gathers to farmers.”

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“Scientists took samples, such as bones and charcoal, from above and below the ancient fragments in the dating process, Wu said.

“This way, we can determine with precision the age of the fragments, and our results can be recognized by peers,” Wu said.

Shelach said he found the process done by Wu’s team to be meticulous and that the cave had been well protected throughout the research.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/28/pottery-20000-years-old_n_1635079.html

More Evidence Against Noah’s Flood

Floods do not form mountains, but rather erode them away. Walter T. Brown, In the Beginning, 1986

All Biblical dates that I have seen for Noah’s flood fall within a period of the earth’s history known to historians the world over, as the “Bronze Age” This is a period in our collective history in which we humans discovered and used the metals copper and tin to make Bronze.

It started around 3500-3000 BCE in the Middle Eastern and African areas, and lasted until we learned how to make Iron (about 1200 BCE, probably in Africa) and thus entered the ‘Iron Age’ This time span also happens to encompass the beginning of writing and keeping records…so we have written records of what was going on at these times; in other words this was ‘historical’ time.

In those times the impetus for the development of the Bronze technology was war. Bronze was used in most weapons of the time, such as spear points, arrowheads, swords, axes, helmets, armor, and shields. Production of these items, in the quantities needed for the armies of the time, required much infrastructure and many people devoted to the making of them. This was not a fly-by-night operation

According to recorded history there were six well-established cultures or ‘civilizations’ at the time of Noah’s Flood. They were: Mesopotamia (Sumerian), Indus Valley, Egypt, the Minoan, the ‘Holy Land’ area, and China. Archaeological records such as ruins of cities, tools, pottery, skeletal remains, weapons, and other artifacts support the written records that survive. These records all show that humans and civilizations existed in almost all parts of the world at the time of the flood, and that there was a worldwide population of possibly 100 million people.

The civilizations of the time were using Bronze tools and had the potters wheel, looms to made textiles, had invented the plow and domesticated draft animals, they also traded with peoples hundreds of miles away. In other words a cultural revolution was going on. Man was changing from herders and hunter-gatherers to settled agriculture and cities that could support the new technologies. An infrastructure was developing. The written record and Archaeology support this view. Records of the Sumerian/Mesopotamian civilization show a continuous ongoing culture from about 3350 BCE to a period well past the Noachian flood.

Mesopotamia had great prosperity and expansion during the flood period under Sargon the Great and his grandson Naram-Sin. The area was a thriving center of culture and advancing civilization. There is no evidence for a cataclysmic flood wiping out the entire culture and infrastructure.

Egyptian civilization is probably familiar to most of us. Egypt’s dynastic history started with the uniting of Upper and Lower Egypt by King Menes, around 3100 BCE. The Egyptian period known as the “Old Kingdom” lasted from 2800 to 2175 BCE. During this time many of the pyramids were built. There is no record, written or archaeological, for a monster flood destroying and completely interrupting this countries infrastructure or it’s monuments such as the Sphinx, the Step Pyramid, or the Great Pyramids, which were built before ‘The Flood’

China has a reasonably accurate history starting around 3000 BCE. According to texts from a Chinese book called “Shu King” and verified by archaeological records, China was undergoing a prosperous period around 2400 to 2200 BCE during the early Yaou Dynasty. They have no record of a cataclysmic flood interrupting their whole civilization and destroying the infrastructure of the country.

The Indus valley civilization has a well-known history dating back to perhaps 3100 BCE. By 2500 BCE there were two major cities, Mohendaro (or Mohenjo-Daro) and Harrapa, which rivaled Egypt and Mesopotamia in population and technologies. This great Civilization also encompassed maybe 100 smaller cities, towns, and villages, and didn’t fall until about 1500 BCE. They have no record of a worldwide civilization-destroying flood.

The Minoan civilization was probably as old as Egypt. Based on the Island of Crete, this civilization grew quickly and was highly advanced by 2500 BCE. By the middle of the second millennium it had an alphabet, used bronze tools, had pottery, textiles, advanced architecture, and had established cities around the Islands. It continued to grow and was a center for trade and culture until about the mid-1400’s BCE  when it was suddenly destroyed by the violent eruption of the Thera volcano. There has been no evidence unearthed from this civilization that shows a flood destroying their whole infrastructure, at any time in their existence.

We do not have any archaeological evidence from the Japanese culture, Native American culture, or the Black tribes of Africa that indicate a world wide flood at any time in their existence. Think about this. How could all these civilizations, tribes, and world-wide culture along with sooo many people suddenly disappear from the earth and then suddenly reappear all over the world and bring the same culture, arts, pottery design, architecture, writing, language, and artifacts that was unique to them and their part of the world?

The entire history of the world does not show…any…of the known civilizations to have a large gap in their chronology or technologies as a result of being destroyed by a worldwide flood. It is not plausible that they were destroyed, and within a few short years, reappeared in their original numbers and with the same abilities and infrastructure. All the inventions and culture of the people of the time…would have had to be reinvented by new inhabitants…that did not happen. It just didn’t happen people. cat

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10,000 BC

10,000 BC

I just saw the plot synopsis for the movie 10,000 BC…Oh well, I’ll probably go see it anyway. I tend to like the Big Budget Special Effects flicks. I know the thing will not win any Oscars for script or actor or director, but I like them anyway. Kind of like the olden days of the Hollywood musical, they bore no resemblance to reality, but had big followings in the depression era as an escape vehicle for lots of poor people.

Of course the subject matter, prehistoric man/women, is near to my heart, but I don’t hold out any hopes that the movie will even remotely follow what scientists nowadays believe to be true of the era. For some reason I have a strong attraction to prehistoric times and the chance to immerse oneself in a dreamworld of the times, even if not authentic in all ways, is a captivating thought.

Several things I will keep in mind as I watch: This was the Mesolithic era. World population at that time was maybe 3 million or so. Small cities/large encampments were just starting to pop up. The shores of the Black Sea were about three hundred feet lower than now, and were populated. The Bronze age or iron age had not started. Stone and possibly bone/antler were used for tool making. In warm climate, nudity was probably prevalent. Pottery had been developed in Japan a thousand years earlier, but had not yet spread to the Middle East or Western Asia. Some of what we consider now as farm animals were being domesticated. Five thousand, or more years earlier…the great cave paintings in France were produced. I think that throughout time men/women have had a “creative gene” and have been superb artists. Of course the tools were hard to come by at the time.

Mammoths were still around, but their numbers were dwindling rapidly. Humans had produced a wicked stone spearhead thousands of years before, and were using it very proficiently on large game such as Aurochs, mammoths, bison, etc. Most humans were probably hunter/gatherers, but some small populations in Egypt, the Levant, Asia, and India were probably experimenting with Emmer or Einkorn wheat. The Indus Valley, Egyptian, and the Mesopotamian civilizations and the use of metals were still in the future, but humankind was starting to advance at a more rapid rate than the aeon’s that led to these times

It will be interesting to watch the movie while keeping in mind real world happenings and the Hollywood version.

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Science, Religion definitely don’t mix

Random ramblings and thoughts on history and Christianity.

Why would God allow the Jewish people to be enslaved by the Egyptians?

Why wouldn’t God just change the heart of the Pharaoh, instead of killing all those humans and animals in the time of Moses?

Why did the Jews have to fight to take the ‘promised land?’

Didn’t Jesus know he would be resurrected to sit at the side of God; that he was the son of God, or maybe God himself, if you believe in a triune God.

Radiocarbon dates of less than 10,000 years are very accurate. lots of times can be checked and calibrated against historical records.

30,000?? BC The last Neanderthals die.

25,000 to 20,000BC Someone..is painting murals on cavewalls in France, and making beautiful spear points (Solutrean) that resemble points in later North American (Clovis) points.

10,000 to 5000 BC Humans arrive in Patagonia, South America.

9000 to 6000 BC Paleoindians in Utah using atlatl.

8000 BC Maybe earlier…farming in Asia.

8000 BC Rock carving in Murujuga, Australia.

8000 BC Mammoth kill in Naco, Arizona. Found in 1953, It had 8 Clovis points embedded. Slightly North of Naco, 9 more Mammoths and 13 associated Clovis points..dated to 9000 BC.

7000? BC Milk River Valley, Alberta, Canada. Blackfeet and Shoshone natives carving petroglyph’s.

7000 to 3200 BC Residents of the city of Mehrgarrh, near Indus valley, were farming, smelting metal, herding domesticated animals, flint knapping, tanning and making pottery.

6000 to 5500 BC Farming spread around the ‘fertile crescent.’ of the Middle East.

5000 BC the first farming culture of Central, and parts of, Northern Europe.

4100 to 4000 BC The Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve. No humans elsewhere on earth. Europe, North, Central, or South America, Asia, India, China, Mongolia, Australia, South Pacific Islands… …Empty… according to the Bible

2750 BC The Epic of Gilgamesh. Babylon alone had probably ten thousand people.

2550 to 2500? BC Pyramid of Khufu/Cheops, Other pyramids were soon being built in Egypt. Large population there. Egypt had a different language than Babylon.

2500? BC The Sphinx built.

2500 to 2000 BC Stonehenge being built in England: Population of England probably in the tens of thousands. Large prehistoric city, probably associated to the henge, found in modern times, a mile from Stonehenge.

2250 BC The Flood…8 humans left on the whole planet earth.

2250 to ??? the answersingenesis people think there was another ice age after the flood and the Neanderthals were spawned after that???

2250 BC Egyptian history continues unbroken, as does most of the world. No mention in hieroglyphs of all life destroying flood. Bronze age happening..no signs of interruption.

2125 BC Tower of Babel…probably tens of thousands of people in Babylon alone.

1750 BC Peak of Minoan civilization in Crete.

1515 BC Moses out of Egypt. Approximate population of Egypt probably 2-2½ million. Moses took about 1 million Jews with him…There goes the tax base.

1500 BC And earlier, Mexico was growing maize/corn and messing with corn genetics..and making Tacos? Yum!..Well not making tacos I guess.

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