Was Canaan Born on the Ark?
April 5, 2008 9 Comments
Mt. Everest is 29,028 ft. high. Depending on what Biblcal version you use, the Noachian flood covered the earth to a depth of 29,050ft. to 29,075ft. Give or take a few feet. There is NO doubt whatsoever that Mt. Everest was not a little hill in the year 2500 BC and forward. It has been calculated that that much water falling in the time allotted by the story would amount to 6 inches per hour over the whole face of the earth. Anybody really believe that?
Why do you suppose there are two stories about the Ark animals and Noah’s attempt to see if the land was dry by sending out birds…could he not look over the side of the boat to see if there was dry land?
Genesis 9:18 KJV…And the sons of Noah, that went forth of the ark, were Shem, and Ham, and Japheth: and Ham is the father of Canaan. ( Ham is the father of Canaan right off the Ark…so there was a baby born while the Ark was floating around?)
Genesis 9:19-27 KJV
19These are the three sons of Noah: and of them was the whole earth overspread. (What of the Native Americans that were here in the US over 12,000 years ago, with no evidence of flooding out)
20And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.
(It takes 3 years for newly planted vineyards (from cuttings) to produce usable fruit; and where did the cuttings come from?)22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
24And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son (Ham) had done unto him. (What had Ham done; reported the problem?)
25And he said, Cursed be Canaan; (What?) a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. (Canaan would be maybe three years old at the time, older by a year maybe, if he were on the Ark in the first place.).
26And he said, Blessed be the LORD God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
27God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant.
All Italics after Scripture are added by me.
Genesis 10:5 KJV By these were the isles of the Gentiles divided in their lands; every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
Genesis 10:20 KJV These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their countries, and in their nations.
Genesis 10:31,32 KJV These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations. 32These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and by these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood.
So after the flood the sons and daughters in law of Noah were dispersed over the face of the earth. Each with their own land and Language.
Now, 110 to 120 years after the flood in Babel (Babylon?) we learn that:
Genesis 11:1 KJV And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech
Genesis 11:9 KJV Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
Not the Chinese and East Indians, Japanese, Englanders, Norse, Swedes, Egyptians, tribes of African, North, Central, and South Americans, Germanic, East Asians, Aborigines, or Eskimo’s. I’ve probably missed a few hundred. ALL the Actual Real Physical Evidence so far, has shown that men/women were spread all over the earth for tens and tens and tens of thousands of years, and all spoke different tongues.
So, what’s going on here? Did God bring all the spread out people back to Babel (Babylon?) make them all speak one language again so he could change all their languages back once more and scatter them out across the earth…once again?
Hummm.
Genesis 11:31 KJV 31And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son’s son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went forth with them from Ur of the Chaldees, to go into the land of Canaan; and they came unto Haran, and dwelt there. Abram mentioned here is Abraham-The Father of the Jewish people.
Ur of the Chaldees did not exist for another 800 to a 1,000 years after the time of Abraham.
The deeper you look into the Bible the more confusing it gets. There hardly seems to be any stories that can’t be honestly questioned.
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O.K……Whats your point??
I came upon this looking up something about Cannan. The problem I see here is that you have too many invalid assumptions, which means: 1) you haven’t seriously sat down and tried to resolve these things for yourself, and 2) don’t really care to entertain idiotic assumptions.
As for your assumption that Noah could have easily looked over the edge of the boat to see if there was dry land, perhaps you missed the part in Genesis 7:16 when “the LORD shut him in.” You assume the ark was a boat like boats today, but it wasn’t.
Just because Gen 9:18 says, “Ham is the father of Canaan,” it does not mean a baby was on the ark. That is reading into the text something that is not there.
Regarding Gen 9:19-27, you assume the date of Native Americans is correct, that they were in the Americas some 12,000 years ago. Perhaps you should first question the assumption of 12,000 years, and second, look at Native American flood legends (according to the Native Americans).
And yet another, Gen 9:21. The passage does not give a time frame. It does not say Noah stepped out of the ark, planted a vineyard and drank the next day it sprouted up. That’s what idiots would believe…oh wait…
Hey anonymous,
I know the story of Noah’s ark is fictional and was picking out a few things that were physically wrong in the story.
You write:
“As for your assumption that Noah could have easily looked over the edge of the boat to see if there was dry land, perhaps you missed the part in Genesis 7:16 when “the LORD shut him in.” You assume the ark was a boat like boats today, but it wasn’t.”
How did Noah release the birds if he was ‘shut in’ by the Lord? Christians and atheist down through time have always speculated about the design of the Ark.
You write:
“Regarding Gen 9:19-27, you assume the date of Native Americans is correct, that they were in the Americas some 12,000 years ago. Perhaps you should first question the assumption of 12,000 years, and second, look at Native American flood legends (according to the Native Americans).
My using the 12,000 year timeline for hominids in the Americas is actually wrong now. New evidence is suggesting 15,000 years or more (some say up to 25,000 to 30,000 years). In 3 years lots of archaeology has happened. Native American flood legends are a moot point as NO evidence of a world-wide flood has ever been found; although plenty of evidence for large localized floods. The Biblical story has been debunked for well over a hundred years. Naturalists first started doubting the flood story in the 1600’s
The fact that humans have been roaming the earth for 200,000 +- years now has pretty much put the lie to Biblical Genesis…archaeologists and associated sciences have been saying this for years, and now DNA evidence is backing this up. Adam and Eve, Noah’s flood, Tower of Babel, these are just foundational myths of a big tribe of goat herders, not the acts of a god. Exodus is also dis-proven by archaeology.
You write:
“And yet another, Gen 9:21. The passage does not give a time frame. It does not say Noah stepped out of the ark, planted a vineyard and drank the next day it sprouted up. That’s what idiots would believe…oh wait…”
You may notice above how I responded to you without name calling, even though your position as a Young Earth Creationists (YEC) is a really bad position without ANY actual real evidence to back it up. If you want to debate I’m willing…just keep it civil…you know–act like a Christian should.
You trust in all the assumptions that you’re basing your beliefs upon. There are so many assumptions. Christians base what they believe on one assumption: that the Bible is a reliable historical document that God authored through men that you and I might understand our relationship to the world and to Him and choose Him instead of our own will.
I understand you’re insistence that the Christian position is unreasonable…no…worse…ridiculous. But I suggest that you read scientific literature authored by scientists who believe the Bible. I think you’ll be surprised that the Christian position is intellectually tenable. You many not agree with it. You may even conclude it is not intellectually tenable, but you’ll discover a lot more thought provoking information than you might expect. Your commitment to reading the creationist position must be a dedicated one.
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The truth as I see it is there is evidence all around us open to interpretation (and speculation) that events happened before our memory. We backtrack based on our own set of hopes, fears and prejudices. Therefore any speculation of our past before reputable record keeping is a belief system be it creation or evolution.
Hello Keath, thanks for your response.
You write:
“The truth as I see it is there is evidence all around us open to interpretation (and speculation) that events happened before our memory. We backtrack based on our own set of hopes, fears and prejudices. Therefore any speculation of our past before reputable record keeping is a belief system be it creation or evolution.”
Yes, there are many many things that happened on earth…even before humans evolved. Thanks to science however, we are able to discover and read much of what went on.
For example we know there was never a Adam and Eve duo 6,000 years ago that were the parents of our whole human race, there was never a world-wide flood, and lots of other stuff that has been disproven. And you know what? We can prove these things.
Where would you like to go with this?
Um, you realize it means everyone spoke multiple languages right? Also the 4 corners on on the inside and are all 1 rock with 4 corners that are pillars. Now read the Book of Enoch with the idea of misinterpretation in mind and see what you get.
Scientist agree it is possible that Adam and Eve were possible if they were red skinned (the Bible says they were red skinned). The Book of Enoch says there were Giants before the flood (dinosaurs). And that they would be locked in the deepest of hell and not be let out (screams heard through super deep mines). The Garden of Eden is under the Phillippines according to the Book of Enoch and there s evidence, there is also evidence that it is being hidden from the public but the evidence is not huge. I also think there are fake Christians trying to make real Christians look bad that are succeeding and are the Biblical Antichrist. 616 is pronounced Nero Caesar and Hitler was a Nero (also called Neo) Nazi and he tried to make Christians look bad. Israel came to be a Nation in 1 day and on the same day the US sent arms and grain to Israel to help with their civil war the real Eastern Gate, Hibok Hibok, Mount of the East, erupted. And some people are trying to prove the country Ethiopia is Ophir. However at the time The Phillippines 3 islands in the Philippines were know as Sheba Ophir and Tarshish. Ethiopia was all of Africa. The ocean trenches currently have rivers of mud flowing downward from the Arctic where the mud comes out and going to places where the mud goes in. And along those are Hydrothermal vents, the Biblical fountains of water. The faults are not cracks but they are lines of many small holes.