Dialogue with Religion

Hello again quickbeamoffangorn,

Nice “talking” with you again.

You write:
“…The Bible’s purpose is to pass on a compact MORAL message…”
“…The Gospel of John’s main point isn’t historically accurate date’s of Christ’s death. If you focus on that you’ve missed the main point. St. John is demonstrating that Christ dies on the cross at the same time as the passover lambs are sacrificed in the temple. Therefore Christ is the true lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world. The other three Gospel authors show the last supper before Christ dies on the cross and St. John has it prior to to demonstrate a theological point not a historical one…”

So that’s your theory? When I read stories I expect a certain continuity of scene.  For one person to say one thing and another to say something that totally contradicts the first, makes me wonder about the “truthiness” of what is being written. I expect Christians to take certain liberties with explanation or apologetics with awkward scriptures, but there is a line….:-)

You write:
“…For me that demonstrates integrity of the message….”

My, my.

You write:
“Sorry your likes didn’t have anything prior to the 16th century, so I’ll take it that you don’t mean “early ages of the church”. To be early would mean 30 A.D. up through 650 A.D. Middle would be 650 to 1500 A.D.”

Below is from an earlier post of mine:

“William Lecky wrote in 1877 in his book, A History of European Morals

“If we consider the actual history of the Church since Constantine, we shall find no justification for the popular theory that beneath its influence the narrow spirit of patriotism faded into a wide and cosmopolitan philanthropy. A real though somewhat languid feeling of universal brotherhood had already been created in the world by the universality of the Roman Empire.

In the new faith the range of genuine sympathy was strictly limited by the creed. According to popular belief, all who differed from the teaching of the orthodox lived under the hatred of the Almighty and were destined after death for an eternity of anguish … The eighty or ninety sects into which Christianity speedily divided, hated one another with the intensity that extorted the wonder of Julian and the ridicule of the pagans in Alexandria, and the fierce riots and persecution that hatred produced appeared in every page of ecclesiastical history.

The Donatists, having separated from the orthodox simply on the question of the validity of the consecration of a certain bishop, declared that all who adopted the orthodox view must be damned, refused to perform their rites in orthodox churches which they had seized till they had burnt the altar and scraped the wood, beat multitudes to death with clubs, blinded others by anointing their eyes with lime, filled Africa, during nearly two centuries, with war and desolation, and contributed largely to its final ruin.

The childish almost unintelligible quarrels between the Homoiousians and the Homoousians … filled the world with riot and hatred. The Catholics tell … how three thousand people perished in the riots that convulsed Constantinople when the Arian bishop Macedonius superseded the Athanasian Paul … In Ephesus, during the contest between St. Cyril and the Nestorians, the cathedral itself was the theater of a fierce and bloody conflict … Later, when the monophysite controversy was at its height, the palace of the emperor at Constantinople was blockaded, the churches were besieged, and the streets commanded by furious bands of contending monks.”

Regarding populations and histories in early Europe; I bow to your superior knowledge on the subject and I will study the subjects much more.

Russia is a little more problematical…I don’t see them falling for the Muslim shtick anytime soon”

You answer:
“You’d be mistaken, 40% of the Russian army will be Muslim by 2025.”

Knowing Russia’s past problems with Muslim terrorists, I would like to see your source on this matter. The Russian government I know is really secular and puts up with no religious hi-jinks.

You write:
“King of the North & King of the South – so now your using scripture(which you claim is unreliable and can’t be taken literally) and use the Book of revelations as factual to disprove it? SAY AGAIN;>)”

Sometimes I like to take currant world events and filter them through scriptures from the Bible to see how they fit. Keeps my mind awake and agile. 🙂

You write:
“Given the increase in atheist in this country you’ll have no one to blame but the secular humanist for the mess. Again Catholicism will clean up after you just as we did after Imperial Rome.”

Hey, secular humanists and atheists and non-believers account for less than 20% of the population here…can’t blame them for the messes.  If we had our way religion would be banned (another prophecy from the Bible to be fulfilled before Armageddon) and most of today’s problems would go away.
Don’t send us into another Dark-Age period. And really, you Catholics need to stop giving corporal punishment for spiritual misdeeds.  Remember He’s a God of love. 🙂

Peace  twom

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